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  1. shame they got to do so much work to earn their money? they seem to do so little for it at the moment? the lady on the phone today wouldn't give me her name when she refered to me as a "customer" today "allegedly their not to give their names out" so now i'm going to have to write an email raising an official complaint that they have broken their contract with the DWP as in their contract the "customer" is a legal term for the DWP, and apparently i'm a claimant/patient/client, by the time they get to the medical they're going to want to take a recording! and maybe open us lot up a complaint department, that doesn't take a few weeks to reply, once again breaking their contract! KNOWLEDGE IS SOMETHING YOU GET, JUST AFTER THAT POINT WHERE YOU REALLY REALLY NEEDED IT! maybe tomorrow i get something done with their rules and regulations regarding recording phone conversations with them? next thing will be when they ask to see the Portable Apliance Testing certificate for the equipment? will the equipment be so sensitive that i require a certicate of electrical installation for the recording company? this is getting silly, they are silly, and i just cant decide whether to wear the clown suit to the medical?
  2. we should see if panorama or somebody would be interested? i'd be happy to wear covert recording equipment! i read a story last night where one guy lost both his hands in an industrial accident, and was told that he could pick a pound coin up off the floor? after speaking to my welfare rights officer, he gives the impression that it's not if you can do your old job? is if you can do any job! maybe the government need some doorstops? i'm getting so angry and frustrated by all this now i feel like their might be more than one disabled guy in the room after i finished my medical! have also read today that ATOS have no duty of care, so today have sent them a mail requesting a copy of their health and safety policy, and tomorrow i'm asking for a copy of their public liability insurance? and maybe monday i find something else to annoy them with! oh, i posted some phjone numbers the other day on here that was removed, DO NOT call them as they get really really annoyed when you do! and if you don't want them? don't do a google search for "atos clinicians numbers" and you wont find them! and don't be so sarcastic like me!
  3. we got more folks! forget recording your interview, i just got the official document from atos here it is:- Audio or video recording. Atos Healthcare has clear guidance agreed with the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) on audiotaping and video taping a medical examination. This is designed to ensure that a consistent approach is taken to all such requests and is designed to safeguard the interests of both the customer and the HCP. The DWP never requires that a medical assessment for the purpose of advising on entitlement to state sickness or disability benefits be recorded on audio or videotape. Any request can only be agreed with the prior consent of the HCP, and then only if stringent safeguards are in place to ensure that the recording is complete, accurate, and that the facility is available for simultaneous copies to be made available to all parties present. The recording must be made by a professional operator, on equipment of a high standard, properly calibrated by a qualified engineer immediately prior to the recording being made. The equipment must have facility for reproduction so that a copy of the tape can be retained by all parties. The cost of the making the arrangements rests with the customer, as recording is not a requirement of the DWP. If Atos Healthcare is unable to grant a request for recording we will offer you an opportunity to rearrange your appointment so you can arrange for the examination to take place with a chaperone or other witness. have just been on the phone for 1/2 an hour to leeds to get this! apparently if i took my brother with me, who is a warranted police officer, even his statement would not be accepted by the DWP ATOS or the tribunal. so not only do they not believe your GP consultant or YOURSELF they do not believe a police statement either! as they do not/are not able to contact your GP i think the best is to tell them "my probation officer thinks it's best i'm not around pens as it took a long time to remove the last from the doctor i stuck it in" or do a Frank Gallagher with a gallon of four star? and i just been on the phone to my local welfare rights officer who said there is no point in applying to the upper tribunal unless i'm willing to pay a barrister to review the whole case and present any points of law that have been broken! think you know what to do folks? sign the pettition above, remember when you're voting next it was LABOUR who signed us up for all this, and the CONSERVATIVE PARTY was going to do the same anyway! so theres only a few parties left! and if you live in a conservative or labour constituency don't bother talking to your local MP as they just look at you as some kind of scrounger!
  4. oo, i despise getting rarred about things, but heres an online petition about it, is for them to record the interviews and let us sign what they saying about us? Petition to: Have esa medicals to be voice recorded, and to have the same rights as accused criminals. | Number10.gov.uk if enough people sign it, maybe they look into it? i read so much now, theres got to ba a lot of people willing to sign? lets see? ad
  5. i was looking for the link, but allready looked at too much about this now and lost it!and the link! i start to wonder now? if someone could take a family member in who was a policeman or a judge? ATOS would probably question their evidence? and favour some half cooked, half wit? that put giggleing as one of my side effects! in my tribunal, i had to keep a straight face as i asked their doctor if he had ever written anything the like in somebodies notes before? the only thing i find funny? is this whole procedure! so funny in fact i wet my pants with laughter? maybe thats their next excuse?
  6. yep, i got a bit into this last night, apparently ATOS have some rules, that with agreement with the courts, the only way you can record the evidence and use it as evidence is to use a dual tape recorder of their specification (and a better spec than the police use", that has been aproved by a sound engineer, no more than 30 minutes before the interview? well if your interview is delayed 45 mins, this is not possible! so have found this link DWP ESA Medical Examinations where some guy has been documenting all his experiences over the last year, he even by the looks of things got offered £100 by ATOS to keep his mouth shut! but like myself, it's obvious he's got nothing to loose, so is now pushing to take this to the high court in london! what he's done is real clever, but to be honest, theres a few golden nuggets in there, that if everyone was to put on their medical assesment forms would cause them so much work! sending a cover letter stating "please provide the name of the qualified health proffesional who will review the imformation i have provided to decide on a face to face meeting" "and that i may wish to independantly check with the GMC that the individual is qualified" "i must stress the the importance that in order for a valid assesment to be made the qualified healthcare proffesional must contact my gp and consultant" the crux of this is they have a contract with the DWP to reply within 2 days, and answer in 20 days, which they never do! and hence breaking the contract before they started! the other point to make, is that if at any point an ATOS employee terms you as a "customer" ask them their name and write a letter of complaint as they have a legal and contractual obligation to refer to you as "claimant" or "patient" even more proof that they have no clue what they are doing! be warned too! if you don't play their game, they can mark you down just for being uncooperative! am just about to start the letter to the upper tribunal now, but they seem to be in the same boat as atos when it comes to being economical with the truth! all of this makes me feel quite sick, but best advice seems to be take someone with you, and make them feel as intimidated as you do! i can imagine they hate nothing more than someones mom peering over their shoulder checking all the answers they put? good luck all! ad
  7. hello all, have just been through the mill with this atos medical and then tribunal rubbish, as my condition has worsened since the last medical which i failed? passed? i dunno? i'm in a position where i have to make another claim for exactly the same benefit (ESA) which i was claiming a year ago before some doctor claimed (amongst other things) that i suffered from giggleing as a side effect of the medication? i know! strange! without explaining my personal problems too much you can guess what other rubbish they put! i went to a tribunal, i was tough, and when i got there they claimed the doctor didn't say half the things he wrote down on the report, and didn't believe that what i told the doctor was definately not what he put in his report! SO WHAT I'M PLANNING THIS TIME IS TAKING MY MP3 PLAYER IN AND MAKING A RECORDING OF THE MEDICAL as i understand it is illegal to record someone without their knowledge? i am planning on making this fact very clear to them, i put it on the form, and i'm going to make them sign a written statement that they have no problems with me using the recording as further later evidence. ANYBODY TRIED ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE? and anybody got any idea of what kind of reaction i should get off them! i remember clearly the doctor pointing out that it wasn't upto them the outcome of the medical, it was the computer system, when you been to a tribunal it makes you think about a law degree and why you was honest? never give up! ad
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