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Old 21st October 2008, 22:07   #1 (permalink)
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Chances are at some point in your driving career you will be involved in an accident, there are some things you can do to make it a less painful process.

Spend a few pounds and buy the following, a disposable camera, a couple of pens, a notepad, a tape measure and a torch. Put them in a small bag and tuck them away somewhere in your car, do not remove them when cleaning out your car!

In the event of an accident take photo's, take a few brief measurements, sketch the position of the vehicles, include any road markings etc, make a note of the other person's name address and vehicle make and model and registration number. Also look around and see if there were any independent witnesses (other drivers that stopped to help or passer's by) and get their name address and phone number.

Even if the accident was your fault DO NOT admit liability, by all means confirm to the other driver the circumstances (ie I admit you were stationary and I drove into you etc BUT DO NOT admit liability or sign anything to say you were at fault).

If anyone is injured you must call the police, if you suspect the other driver is intoxicated call the police and state this (stressing why you feel that ie smells heavily of alcohol, is slurring words, cannot walk straight).

Complete your claim form as soon as possible and include everything you noted on the night. Taking photo's at the scene is a great way to deter the other party from changing their story at a later date, so get them developed and send them in as well.

If the accident was your fault and you think it's only minor damage to the other vehicle that you would rather pay out of your own pocket rather than lose your no claims discount I would still suggest you let it go through your insurance. You have a duty to notify them of all accidents anyway so let them sort it out, you can always reimburse them for their outlay and protect your no claims discount (it's a no claim discount so if you reimburse them you have not made a claim), this will deter the chancers who inflate the repair costs or try and sneak other things into the bill, plus it's a good idea because in a few months time the other person may claim injuries and that could be expensive if you are dealing with the matter personally.

Keep a copy of everything you fill in (claims form etc), letters you send etc.

If the accident was not your fault you will probably have uninsured losses, ie the excess on your own policy, recovery charges, cost of repairs, hire of alternative transport, telephone costs, stationery costs, time spent reading and replying to letters, out of pocket expenses, personal injuries, pain suffering and hardship, loss of earnings, loss of enjoyment, damage to goods or personal property damaged in the accident etc etc. Make a list of everything, get receipts where possible and itemise each seperate item of claim. (Some of the above won't be applicable if you have comprehensive insurance).

One phrase that keeps coming up after a motor vehicle accident is 'Knock for Knock', a lot of people use it but few understand EXACTLY what it is.

Knock for Knock is an agreement between certain Insurance Companies NOT to recover their outlay, it in NO WAY reflects liability.

Let me explain.......

In any given year there will be a number of accidents between people insured with Insurance Company A and people Insured with Insurance Company B. Sometimes it will be the fault of Company A so Company B will write to Company A and ask for their money back, other times it will be the fault of Company B and Company A will write asking for their money back.

Insurance Companies realised that they spend a lot of time and money writing to ask for money back whilst at the same time they spend a lot of money sending money out to other Insurance Companies so they started keeping records to see how much money in any given year they paid out to Company X and how much money they received back from Company X. If the two amounts are fairly close then they set up a knock for knock agreement, which means that each Insurance Company pays for the repairs to their own Insured's car (providing they are fully comprehensive policies) and neither Insurance Company pursue the other for the cost of repairs to their own policyholder's vehicle.

Knock for Knock exists simply to save the Insurance Company time and money, under a knock for knock claim the policyholder who was not responsibile still pursues the other party for their unisured losses and if successful will not lose their no claims discount.

Knock for knock does NOT exist between all Insurance Companies, only those whose records show that they pay out roughly the same as they get back from.

The only reason Knock for Knock exists is to save Insurance Companies time and money sending/claiming money back from other Insurance Companies, it has nothing to do with liability.

A policyholder CANNOT state that an accident will not be dealt with under the knock for knock agreement because it has NOTHING at all to do with the policyholder, the accident or liability.



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Seconded.

I would add also that you should take the reg no / make model etc of the TP vehicle directly (pref photograph). Do not take details verbally as they may get the info wrong (accidentally on purpose). I have also hear it being suggested that you have a voice recorder handy to record the conversations. the admissibility of this though I doubt.
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And NEVER apologise if it wasn't your fault....
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I would add that you should call the police if you feel that the TP was at fault and their actions constituted a crime, eg failing to stop at a stop signal, being on the phone and not just for drink driving. Stress that you believe that the acident has been caused by the third party's criminal activity.
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For my two penneth worth.

I work in Personal Injury Claims and knock for knock (K4K) is when an insurance company (lets take Norwich Union(NU)). Say your insured with NU and hit a car insured with Norwich Union Direct (NUD) when the vehicles are repaired both claims departments agree K4K so norwich union doesn't write itself a chq, as both companies are under the same umberella parent company, soon to be AViVA.

Between different insurance companies if NU driver hits Esure driver for instance then they agree to pay according to Reduction In Paper Evidence (RIPE) agreement. This is where some insurance companies have agreed that rather submitting evidence ie Engineer reports and invoices they just state what their outlay has been and agree to pay on an honesty basis.

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I had accident in back lanes in the snow, skidded and nowhere to go so collided with oncoming car at low speed. insurance said cost too much to repair so wrote it off. valuers only offered 1600 as said 'market forces were involved', just means they offer you rock bottom price according to cars with 'similar' mileage being offered 2-300 miles away. i complained and they offered too increase, as i understood it , by £200. got a cheque that represented 1700. rang up and after a week of calls they finally said that they had listened to call and it was definitely a hundred, i said one does not sound like two and if that was the case i would not have agreed to the 1700 as i felt it was far too low considering bottom book was £2000. basically they said what i heard was not what was said and that was that. i said that ok , i can just change to another insurance company, keep my 'noclaims bonus' and pay a cheaper price. i said they were just ripping people off instead off giving a fair price for their vehicles. anyone else think the same way!
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Another do. REPORT ANY INCIDENT TO YOUR INSURER, even if not claiming yourself. No matter what, report it. Here's an example of why:

Am insuranceI a guilty party?
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Any advice for someone who may have hit another car, no witnesses, no police etc. The accident is longer than 10 days old and neither side has reported anything. However the driver of the car who got hit is now making abusive calls demanding their car be fixed at a cost of £1500 when in fact the damage would cost 400 at most.
They claim it is their right to have the car repaired wherever they choose.
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1. Start own thread
2. Report to your insurance company and let them sort it out. That's what you pay them for.
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