Those Cheeky Blighters at Ryanair!!!

[10110001]

Originally Posted by Bookworm

Again, not true at all. I travel extensively with both Ryanair and Easyjet...

OK, that gives you have more command experience than me on the A319 and Boeing 777, with my company it's always been the case with low cost and sometimes domestic routes. Unlike gate agents or crew, able-bodied pax never see disability pax being pre-boarded in the cabin, so this this is like having a passenger in K48 telling me how to fly the aircraft.

[Bookworm]

I *am* disabled, as is my 10 year old son, so yes, I would say that makes me pretty knowledgeable.

[JOSH_IOU]

Its stored elsewhere because it can be used to store explosives lol.

[louis wu]

Originally Posted by 10110001

Only for able-bodied passengers. Bulkhead seats with extra legroom or near lavatories are reserved for pax with disabilities or those carrying infants.

I don't know who you work for, but most extra legroom seats (those by doors) are given to Able Bodied Passengers (ABP's) in order that they may assist cabin crew in the event of an emergency. This is standard procedure for most worldwide carriers. Non emergency row 'legroom' seats (more commonly found on charter airlines) can be set aside for disabled passengers, but sadly most are now sold at a premium price.

A wheelchair pax and a disabled pax have different handling procedures depending on the nature of the disability.

ALL disabled passengers have different needs, whilst most fall within standard practice, no two disabilities are the same and each treated differently by ground crew. An example of this is when a disabled pax is boarded via the service doors (aircraft right). To put disabilities into just 2 catagories shows a distinct lack of knowledge, both on the subject, and on procedure.

Airlines are smarter than that. When a pax with a disability is pre-boarded they are assigned a seat near 2L or an overwing exit door, if he gets up and walks around during the flight, or springs out of his seat demanding his wheelchair the moment I turn off the seat belt sign, they will be the last to disembark because its stored elsewhere on the aircraft.

Disabled passengers are seated where it is most appropriate. This is dependant on which doors are used, the extent of the disability and passenger load. As a rule, physically disabled passengers are seated away from exit rows, the reason being is that able bodied passengers will exit the plane faster, leaving a reduced number of fatalities show deaths occur.
A standard wheelchair would not fit down an aircraft aisle (except maybe first class charter), and although you may not realise, most disabled pax are well used to being last off the aircraft, as to disembark before hand is not practical and not desirable.

I think you may find things to be quite different, in the back, than you imagine.

[louis wu]

Originally Posted by JOSH_IOU

Its stored elsewhere because it can be used to store explosives lol.

James, not very helpful to the discussion. Please note, this isn't the bear garden.

[JOSH_IOU]

Neither was your post.

I was simply expressing concern for other passenger's.

Who may be disabled or not who do not need a wheel chair.

[10110001]

Originally Posted by louis wu

This is standard procedure for most worldwide carriers. Non emergency row 'legroom' seats (more commonly found on charter airlines) can be set aside for disabled passengers, but sadly most are now sold at a premium price.

Not on our respective carriers, I fly for a Middle Eastern major, and she flies for a LCC. In the 1980's I did holiday charters for AE and GK out of LGW on 732's and 1-11's, wheelchair users were never charged leg seats. They only paid a fee to the airports for service on the ground.

Originally Posted by louis wu

a disabled pax is boarded via the service doors (aircraft right).

OK I've been wrong during 20 years of flying, but cabin service doors are on the left side of the aircraft. Pax doors on the right - that's why its called the port side. I never board passengers while the cabin is being serviced.

Originally Posted by louis wu

To put disabilities into just 2 catagories shows a distinct lack of knowledge

Nobody is saying anything about 2 categories, my post says:

different handling procedures depending on the nature of the disability.

Originally Posted by louis wu

A standard wheelchair would not fit down an aircraft aisle (except maybe first class charter),

That's why pre-boarding exists & folded up it does, it's why LCC's allocate bulkhead seats to SN pax.

Originally Posted by louis wu

and although you may not realise, most disabled pax are well used to being last off the aircraft, as to disembark before hand is not practical and not desirable.

Nobody is saying otherwise. On LCC's pax spring out of their seats reaching for the overhead bins the moment seatbelt sign is turned off - sometimes before if I stop the aircraft before reaching the gate. On majors, SN pax can leave through door 1L as J/F pax can disembark at their leisure. We are last off the aircraft before signing it back to the company or onto next crew.

[louis wu]

You keep mixing your airlines.

One minute it's budget airlines and their policies/procedures (as per the OP by the way), and the next minute (when it suits), your talikng about your middle east carrier.

OK I've been wrong during 20 years of flying, but cabin service doors are on the left side of the aircraft. Pax doors on the right - that's why its called the port side. I never board passengers while the cabin is being serviced.

If you had understood, my point was that some disabled passenger are boarded AIRCRAFT RIGHT, STARBOARD side, via catering trucks. In 20 years you must have seen that, or are you doing pre flight checks at the time?

To not know that, makes me question your aviation credentials, it is after all the most basic parts of airline safety (became more important after kegworth). After 20 years, I hope you still don't get this wrong.

Aircraft left, port side, passenger boarding doors.
Aircraft right, starboard side, catering/service doors.



As to wheelchairs

That's why pre-boarding exists & folded up it does, it's why LCC's allocate bulkhead seats to SN pax.

Why would you take a folded up chair down an aisle, just to wheel it back down again? A standard carry chair would be used, the type with no arms and 2 small wheels at the rear.

A bulkhead seat will only be allocated to a disabled passenger if there is no emergency door at that row. Thats basic CAA/FAA rules and regs, it's to avoid a bottleneck in an emergency disembarkation.

On LCC's pax spring out of their seats reaching for the overhead bins the moment seatbelt sign is turned off - sometimes before if I stop the aircraft before reaching the gate.

So what do you fly, Low cost carrier, or middle eastern carrier?

You have no avaiation experience do you?, just making this up as you go along.

Flight deck would not make these type of blunders, and generally would have NO interest at all in the nature of the passenger, so long as they behave themselves.


louis

[10110001]

Originally Posted by louis wu

If you had understood, my point was that some disabled passenger are boarded AIRCRAFT RIGHT, STARBOARD side, via catering trucks. In 20 years you must have seen that, or are you doing pre flight checks at the time?

Aircraft left, port side, passenger boarding doors.
Aircraft right, starboard side, catering/service doors.

Great! We have a backseat pilot contradicting himself.

If you are referring to an airport without jetbridges then an ambilift takes the SNP to L2 or L4 depending on the aircraft. If a catering truck if the way you board your SNP's then good luck to you. Im not a ramper so it isn't down to me how ground ops go about it.

Originally Posted by louis wu

A bulkhead seat will only be allocated to a disabled passenger if there is no emergency door at that row.

I've not suggested otherwise. At least its acknowledged seats are allocated for SNP's on LCC's.

Originally Posted by louis wu

Thats basic CAA/FAA rules and regs, it's to avoid a bottleneck in an emergency disembarkation.

A lot more to it that that, irrelevant anyway.

Originally Posted by louis wu

So what do you fly, Low cost carrier, or middle eastern carrier?

Between us we fly both. Me flag, She LCC.

Originally Posted by louis wu

You have no avaiation experience do you?, just making this up as you go along.

Originally Posted by louis wu

Flight deck would not make these type of blunders,

What blunders? With comments like those, it's you that's making it up.

Originally Posted by louis wu

and generally would have NO interest at all in the nature of the passenger, so long as they behave themselves.

Who mentioned anything about pax conduct?

There's no point in continuing this discussion.

[louis wu]

OK I've been wrong during 20 years of flying, but cabin service doors are on the left side of the aircraft. Pax doors on the right - that's why its called the port side. I never board passengers while the cabin is being serviced.

Aircraft left and right are pretty basic concepts, but I am sure you will agree, are essential that they are understood by ANYONE involved in aviation.

If you are having problems with this, then it's probably best not to embarrass yourself further, although I suggest you have a word with a colleague, just to refresh yourself.

You have no knowledge of my flying background, best not jump to conclusions, or it may cause even more embarrassment for you.

[Chesterexpress]

Originally Posted by louis wu

You have no avaiation experience do you?, just making this up as you go along. louis

louis, I have been following this thread and you appear to be spot on.

[louis wu]

Originally Posted by Chesterexpress

louis, I have been following this thread and you appear to be spot on.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

[JOSH_IOU]

beware the man baring gifts

[louis wu]

Originally Posted by JOSH_IOU

beware the man baring gifts

'beware of Greeks bearing gifts'...relates to troy and the trojan horse.

I fail to understand this post.

Chesterexpress usually posts good concise advice, doesn't appear to engage in petty arguments, and contributes positively to any thread he/she is involved with.

Is there a serious message you are trying to convey, or just adding to your post count?

louis

[JOSH_IOU]

Well you seem to pick upon every single comment I make. I ask you What is your response to the first post of this thread?

That is if your trying to make a contribution.