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Old 31st August 2007, 00:25   #621 (permalink)
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Hi Stone

Modest to the end eh.

I think we all know you have put a lot of this together yourself , so come on take the praise,

AND STOP BLUSHIN :o
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Old 31st August 2007, 07:16   #622 (permalink)
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Good work Stone, you've been very busy!!!
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Old 31st August 2007, 13:36   #623 (permalink)
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Well here we go!,


N244 going in today,
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Old 31st August 2007, 13:39   #624 (permalink)
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BBC have just got back in touch, They want me to keep them upto date with progress, particularly interested in Hearing date. So all is going to plan at the moment. Just watch some miserable b*st*rd come along and spoil it!! LOL
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Good news!! Good luck!!
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Old 31st August 2007, 14:28   #626 (permalink)
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Very good article on Bank Charges in todays DAILY MAIL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dms...ney.co.uk/news

You can read it here. Just scroll down to this headline.

Abbey tops league of rip-off bank charges


Enjoy!!


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Old 31st August 2007, 16:02   #627 (permalink)
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Hi Stoe

This makes for some very interesting reading.

Grear Post very informative.

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Old 1st September 2007, 00:32   #628 (permalink)
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AAHH Well folks, the deed is done! Took N244 in at 3.45pm spoke to Court Manager, who was very interested in what I had written in letter to fo with N244 and numbers of claims settled despite test case, I managed to "drop" into conversation that BBC Money Programe was showing interest in my case,
and agreed that this was a good thing. "We are all in unknown territory with this thing" he said " Both Court service and Judges are feeling their way in the dark.". He said that a judge would look at my case and decide if a hearing was required, I told him that I was requesting a hearing as I felt that I would be able to put my case verbally than in writing. He said that I appeared to have put it quite well enough in application. He said that he was going to take application straight to a Judge in Court and report our conversation, and the judge would decide wether or to have hearing. He told me to pay only £35 Court fee and If judge decided on hearing then I would not have to pay hearing fee. He also asked if I would be available to have private meeting with Judge if needed, naturaly I agreed to this. he said court would get back to me with the "utmost haste" and to do nothing further until I hear from them.

I gathered from his interest and attitude that he was very supportive of our cause. All in all a good day I think.

I will post a copy of my letter in a separate post, with details edited. If any one wishes to use it for themselves, feel free as it is basicaly the Template letter from this site and all the information containd in it is to be found here or on Bank Charges Success Stories II - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums




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Hi Stoe

This makes for some very interesting reading.

Grear Post very informative.

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I see you been sitting on thumbs then, Overflow.


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Old 1st September 2007, 00:48   #630 (permalink)
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Take a look at this one as well !!

Want to see where you bank charges go?
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Hi stone, best of luck for your possible meeting with the judge, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Unfortunately I can't seem to open the link you gave in your last post, it keeps showing a 404 error!!!
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Old 1st September 2007, 01:20   #632 (permalink)
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This is copy of letter that I presented in support of my application for Say to be Set Aside






Claim Number xxxxxxxxxxxxx

In the XXXXXX County Court

Between:



Son of Stone
Claimant



-and-




HALIFAX BANK PLC
Defendant



I strongly object to the proposed order of a stay in respect of the claim detailed above upon the following grounds;

Delaying tactics
It is my strong belief that the defendant has used unfair delaying tactics in an attempt to slow down the proceedings for this case by ignoring their obligations as described under the Data Protection act 1998, by failure to furnish details requested in my Subject Access Request, & cause me to issue a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office. They finally provided SOME of this information after a period of 73 days, which enabled me to begin these proceedings. They have still not provided me with the full information that I originally asked for, which is a copy of the Terms and Conditions, copies of all letters that they have written to me. They eventually supplied me with copies of all statements, after a period of 103 days. This is a lamentable performance on the part of Halifax Plc. It is my belief that they are deliberately frustrating and obfuscating my requests, using such tactics as correspondence that can neither be traced nor reconciled and standard template letters that make it extremely difficult to gain an idea of their progress.
Further more, it is my belief that the defendant had considerable prior knowledge of the Test case being brought by the FSA to the High Court regarding unauthorized overdraft charges, and the agreed waiver on future claims until this case has been resolved and has used this knowledge to an unfair advantage to me. In my opinion the defendant has played fast and loose with regulations governing their business practices and has used the legal system to its own ends i.e. profit
It is again further to my belief that this test case bears no relevance to my claim, which is for the return of all penalty charges unlawfully levied on my bank account.
Halifax Plc.

The defendants Halifax Plc have already settled 24 similar cases since the “Test case” was announced.
In the attached list of cases, the court will see that Halifax were defendants in these cases. In some of these Halifax actually filed defences and actually returned their allocation questionnaire, obliging the claimant to do the same. However, in every one of these cases, Halifax settled the matter before the hearing or were awarded Judgment against by their failure to attend the hearings.



Other cases
It is true that there are currently many other cases which are litigating on the same issue of contractual penalties. However the court may be unaware that not a single case so far has gone to a hearing.
Attached to this application is a sample list of 94 cases of which the claimant is aware and which have been settled since 26 July 2007. All of them have been settled before hearing.
Many of them have even received default judgments against the defendant banks in question which has then been set aside on application by that bank and then which has been settled by that bank rather than go to court. A list of all these cases is attached to this application, and where this information can be accessed.
The court has even ordered standard disclosure against defendant banks but those banks have then gone on to settle rather than reveal the details of its contractual penalties.
It is submitted that the predicted test case is most unlikely to go to a hearing and that it will be settled out of court and therefore produce no useful decision from a higher court.
It is further submitted that the defendant in the instant case has no intention of going to a hearing.
It is submitted that the pattern of cases settled so far suggests very strongly that the banks are merely using the justice system as a publicly funded means of intimidating their customers and dissuading them from pursuing their legitimate Right.
It is submitted that this is abusive of the justice system and of the public resource.







Human rights

It would infringe my rights under the European Convention on Human Rights directly and as enacted in the Human Rights Act 1998. Article 6 of the Convention provides that;

1. In the determination of his civil rights… everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time.”

It is submitted that the ordering of a stay as proposed is not reasonable. The 8 banks involved in the High Court test case have recently published identical statements on their websites informing customers that they expect the test case to last for over a year. Moreover, the nature and gravity of the case is such that any judgment is highly likely to be appealed to the Court of Appeal and possibly even then appealed further to the House of Lords. It is entirely conceivable that a final resolution may not be reached for 2 – 3 years or perhaps even longer. It is thus submitted that the period of any proposed stay cannot be accurately predicted and would therefore in effect be indeterminate, which is contrary to the right of entitlement to a fair hearing within a reasonable time as provided for by Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1998.

The Overriding Objective

The Overriding Objective requires that my case is allowed to proceed speedily so that a just settlement may be obtained by the parties to this case. Dealing with cases justly includes ensuring that this case is dealt with expeditiously and fairly and in a way that is proportionate to the amount of money involved. It is submitted that the imposition of an indeterminate stay in a small claims track case involving a relatively small sum, at such an advanced stage in proceedings, is not just, nor is it expeditious, nor is it fair on a claimant who has outlaid sums by way of court fees in pursuit of a legitimate right to seek a remedy.

Balance of convenience

The sum claimed is insignificant to the bank but it is highly significant to me. Furthermore, although a stay prevents me from recovering my money, the defendant bank is not prevented from levying its charges or interest on debt comprised of those charges so the order of the court has the effect of favouring a powerful and well-resourced institution and does not place any restriction on their continued application of charges which I say are unlawful. Further, many banks are now routinely closing the accounts of their customers who commence claims against them. This amounts to a sanction for seeking a ruling from the justice system and as such is a basic denial of citizenship. I will remain at risk of such action despite the fact that my remedy has been placed on an indeterminate hold.

Additionally, the defendant remains at liberty to enter my name on the default register which it and other banks routinely do in respect of unlawful penalties which are unpaid by their customers. The banks have direct and privileged access to this register. They have no need to obtain a County Court judgment before they may enter a default on the register. This default remains on the register for 6 years and causes enormous damage to reputations. Were my name to be entered on the default register I would find it impossible to get credit or a mortgage and I would have to pay higher fees for any credit which I did manage to obtain. The banks would also remain at liberty to bring legal proceedings against me for the recovery of any debt which mostly or entirely consists of penalty charges, penalty charges which are contended to be unlawful, but which consumers would be helpless to challenge in the event that stays are imposed on any claim where a customer is seeking to dispute the lawfulness of them.

It is submitted that a stay may potentially mean great difficulty for me and yet be insignificant for the defendant bank. In fact a stay is supportive of the banks litigation strategy which is to frustrate justice by repeatedly taking the claimant to the door of the court and then to settle the claim.

The Status Quo

The stay does not maintain the status quo. As submitted above, a stay favours the bank by preventing the claimant’s pursuit of its legitimate remedy without placing any restriction upon the banks activities which I submit are unlawful and/or retaliatory.

Furthermore, as submitted above the present case concerns a relatively small sum and is at a late stage in proceedings, and therefore I submit that to impose an indeterminate stay is unnecessary, inappropriate, not in the interests of justice and further, is detrimental to my rights in a way which is unfair and inequitable.

In the alternative

In view of the preceding paragraphs, if the court accedes to the defendant’s application for a stay notwithstanding these objections, I respectfully request that the court issues the following injunctions:
  • That the defendant bank is prevented from applying further penalty charges to my account until the final settlement of the matter.
  • That the defendant is prevented from applying interest charges to any outstanding amounts which are comprised of penalties until the settlement of the matter.
  • That the defendant is prevented from closing my account.
  • That the defendant is prevented from making any entry on its own systems or from communicating any similar information to any third party about any matter insofar as it relates to penalty charges until the final settlement of the matter.
  • That the defendant removes any derogatory entry on its own records insofar as it relates to penalty charges. (The Court has the power to do this under the Data Protection Act 1998 )
  • That the defendant arranges the removal of entries from the records of any third parties to whom it has previously communicated information insofar as it relates to penalty charges. (The Court has the power to do this under the Data protection Act 1998.)
  • That these injunctions remain in place until the settlement of my claim.
  • That should my claim proceed to a hearing that a decision should be made at the hearing as to whether these injunctions should be made permanent.
  • That if the matter should not proceed to a hearing because the defendant decides to settle outside court, that these injunctions should become permanent.
I, the Claimant, believe all facts stated to be true.

Signed:




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List of cases settled since announcement of OFT test case:

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Abbey 8
Alliance & Leicester 4
Barclays 4
Co-op 0
Halifax 20
HSBC 1
Lloyds TSB 30
NatWest 4
RBS & BOS 3
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TOTAL 74



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Halifax 4
NatWest 2
RBS&BOS 1
Lloyds TSB 7
HSBC 1
Barclays 3
A & L 1
Abbey 0
Co-op 1
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Total 20





grand total 74
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