consumer forums consumerforums Total Bank Charges Returned : £17,500,569 to 10384 people.

Bank Charges Refunds Survey | 'Buddy' System | Get an email address | Registration Problems | FAQ
The Consumer Forums  

CAG Products - We think that these will help you to make your claim or Reclaim your Right

These sales also help us to keep helping YOU and ensure this site will remain free to use!

Small Claims Kit-- Small Claims Court Guide
**New Edition**
Consumer Action Group envelope labels Last Will & Testament Kit Fight a Motoring Ticket
 
Alternatively you could purchase a CAG email address here, or maybe you'd prefer our address labels here


UPDATE: Consumer Forums ConsumerWiki is now LIVE - click here: ConsumerWiki

Patricia Pearl - Small Claims Procedure - A Practical Guide
An excellent guide for the layperson in how to use the County Court - a must if you are intending to start a claim.
£17.10 + £1 (P&P)

Lawpack - Small Claims Kit
Contains everything you need to sue your bank (or anyone else) including sample forms, instruction manual, templates, and an entire set of court forms in PDF format on CD Rom.
£10.99 + £1 (P&P)

Last Will and Testament Kit
Make a legally valid will without the fuss and expense of a solicitor - includes a full step-by-step guide.
£12.99 + £1 (P&P)

Fight a Motoring Ticket Kit
All the templates and documents that you need to challenge your speeding ticket, parking fine - with advice from one of the UK’s leading motor offence solicitors
£9.99 + £1 (P&P)


Go Back   The Consumer Forums > The Consumer Forums
The Consumer Action Group
> Employment Problems

  CAG Announcements
 
Welcome Guest
Please register
Registration is free
There are no charges for using any of the facilities of this website.
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. You will have to register before you can post. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
You will also have to register to access our template letters and claims forms
registration is free
Are you being threatened over debts more than 6 years old?
This may be unfair
See our new Unfair Trading Guide
eBay buyer?
Buy more cheaply
Win more often
ConsumerSniper.com
Have you been defaulted?
Would you like to clean up your credit file?
Check it out
Ebay buyer?
ConsumerSniper
Free unlimited bids and eBay tools
Have you been defaulted?
Would you like to clean up your credit file?
Check it out
 
 

Employment Problems Do you have problems at work for any reason including disability, harassment, discrimination? Are you facing disciplinary action? Are you failing to get employment because of some disability or discrimination problem? Discuss it here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 18th November 2008, 09:40   #1 (permalink)
Basic Account Customer
 
monkeychicken's Avatar
 
Try our eBay sniping service

Cagger since : Nov 2008
Posts: 52
monkeychicken Novitiate
Default reopening a COT3 agreement

Help
I need some advice
In 2002 I settled a case under a COT3 agreement, part of which was to move me away from the part of the organisation I was working in because my immediate line manager was harassing me at that time,for a period of four years, by being overly critical - like changing every single piece of work for minor and inconsequential 'errors' - and excessive monitoring. (I also got a small amount of money as well)

In 2006 my employer then decided to move my harasser to my new section, although now I am his line manager. A few months later I was suspended pending investigations of some made up charge. I have been on suspension for over 18 months now!

When my harasser came to work under me, I tried very hard to treat him fairly and was careful to give him the respect he did not afford me.

I have now discovered that they had been monitoring my emails (although it was not the previous harasser) and that since my suspension, my previous harasses has been acting up into my job.

I seem to recall that my COT3 agreement did not specifically mention the harasser, but the intention was to not work with him.

I have made the grievance and now have an ET case. I am now preparing a further statement of particulars and just thought that bringing up the previous harassment, particualrly the notes the harasser made would help me demonstrate a continuing act.

Can anyone please advise if that would cause a problem, even though the previous harassment issues were covered by the COT3 and is subject to a confidentiality clause.

Thank you very much in anticipation
__________________
I am not a lawyer, so all my advice is provided on the basis that you will check them with a trained legal professional with legal insurance.
monkeychicken is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 18th November 2008, 20:02   #2 (permalink)
Site Team
 
elche's Avatar
 
Have we helped you? Please help us by making a donation

Cagger since : Jun 2008
I am in: North West England
Posts: 691
elche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informative
Default Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

I was under the impression that once an action was compromised via a COT3 then it could never be re-opened.

As ACAS are instrumental in the negotiating of COT3 agreements you should either contact the local ACAS office who helped negotiate the previous COT3 or ring their helpline 08457-474747.

In any event if the actions were from 2002 you would be likely statute barred to do anything about them as they are well over 3 months ago!

I appreciate they may be background to your current issue but I would have thought that suspension for 18 months (a ridiculous length of time) alone is sufficent to give you a greater than 50% chance of proving constructive dismissal

Che
__________________
......................... ......................... ....................
Please post on a thread before sending a PM. My opinion's are not expressed as agent or representative of The Consumer Action Group. Always seek professional advice from a qualified legal adviser before acting. If I have helped you please feel free to tip the scales. I am sorry that current work commitments limit the amount of time I have for CAG's Employment Forum. Nonetheless, I'll try to drop in as often as possible.

'Venceremos'
elche is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 18th November 2008, 22:11   #3 (permalink)
Basic Account Customer
 
monkeychicken's Avatar
 
We need funds
Please donate something

Cagger since : Nov 2008
Posts: 52
monkeychicken Novitiate
Smile Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

Thanks
monkeychicken is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2008, 10:30   #4 (permalink)
Basic Account Customer
 
monkeychicken's Avatar
 
eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items

Cagger since : Nov 2008
Posts: 52
monkeychicken Novitiate
Default Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

I have spoken to ACAS but they wont give any advice on this issue. So any help still appreciated.
monkeychicken is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 19th November 2008, 18:14   #5 (permalink)
Site Team
 
elche's Avatar
 
We need funds
Please donate something

Cagger since : Jun 2008
I am in: North West England
Posts: 691
elche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informative
Default Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

I personally don't think it can be re-opened - although I'm happy to be corrected on this.

If they could be re-opened what incentive would there be for parties involved in litigation to use them?

As stated earlier I'm not sure what relevance it would have beyond background info, as time limits would likely make it all irrelevant.

I suppose you could always try and get it in the Tribunal bundle and if the respondents rep's object the Tribunal will likely rule that element of the bundle in-admissable at a Directions Hearing.

I believe it would be akin to genuine w/o prejudice discussions and thus likely in-admissable

Sorry can't be more helpful. Perhaps other cagger's have other thoughts

Che

NB Thanks for the rep comment
__________________
......................... ......................... ....................
Please post on a thread before sending a PM. My opinion's are not expressed as agent or representative of The Consumer Action Group. Always seek professional advice from a qualified legal adviser before acting. If I have helped you please feel free to tip the scales. I am sorry that current work commitments limit the amount of time I have for CAG's Employment Forum. Nonetheless, I'll try to drop in as often as possible.

'Venceremos'
elche is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th November 2008, 21:14   #6 (permalink)
Basic Account Customer
 
monkeychicken's Avatar
 
Your bank owes you an awful lot more money than you realise See here

Cagger since : Nov 2008
Posts: 52
monkeychicken Novitiate
Default Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

Thanks Elche
I do get your point but the thing is it is the other side who have breached the terms of the COT3. Surely such agreements have a some form of 'penalty' if breached, or an incentive not to be brocken if you like, however many years later the breach may occur.

I will try to get it in even as background info, but of course it will be much more beneficial if I could bring all the issues forward as primary facts!
monkeychicken is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th November 2008, 21:33   #7 (permalink)
Site Team
 
elche's Avatar
 
Your bank owes you an awful lot more money than you realise See here

Cagger since : Jun 2008
I am in: North West England
Posts: 691
elche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informativeelche Informative
Default Re: reopening a COT3 agreement

Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeychicken View Post
Surely such agreements have a some form of 'penalty' if breached, or an incentive not to be brocken if you like, however many years later the breach may occur.
Fair point, perhaps if one party breaches the agreement then that party loses their right to 'hide behind it' and thus cannot argue for it to be in-admissable?

I'm really not sure, as I've never known any one breach one before. Normally, ACAS mediate the COT3, the money is paid, the employee walks away all rep's get paid and that the end.

When I'm back in work, I'm going to look at the Compromise Agreements we use to see if they have a penalty for breach clause, as obviously CA's and COT3 essentially achieve the same thing.

Have you read the COT3 carefully to see if makes provision for breach?

I can't believe ACAS have not been more help, as it is their Conciliation Officer who negotiates the damn thing in the first place!

Please let me know what the ET does when you try to include it.

Best of luck

Che
__________________
......................... ......................... ....................
Please post on a thread before sending a PM. My opinion's are not expressed as agent or representative of The Consumer Action Group. Always seek professional advice from a qualified legal adviser before acting. If I have helped you please feel free to tip the scales. I am sorry that current work commitments limit the amount of time I have for CAG's Employment Forum. Nonetheless, I'll try to drop in as often as possible.

'Venceremos'
elche is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter The Consumer Forums Replies Last Post
Verbal agreement instead of tenancy agreement with council tax included in the rent. Dundo79 Residential and Commercial Lettings 9 14th January 2008 21:59
agreement cleanslate Debt Collection Industry 1 18th April 2007 10:17
HP agreement vs credit agreement hellp blancomcr Vehicle retailers and manufacturers 2 14th March 2007 09:23
Help - HP agreement maca_s_2000 Vehicle retailers and manufacturers 2 13th March 2007 18:02






Reclaim the Right Ltd. - reg.05783665 in the UK reg. office:- 923 Finchley Road London NW11 7PE