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25th June 2008, 11:28
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| | Basic Account Customer | Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Hi,
I work for a small(ish) company, have been there for just over 21 months and so far quite happy. Last Wednesday evening I fell ill, so in the morning my husband called my boss (I was too ill even to open my eyes) to inform him i wouldn't come in and that i would see a doctor asap.
I saw my gp thursday morning and he wrote me off for 5 days.I know it is a very busy time at my work and my illness could not have come at worse time but nothing i could do.
So I phoned my boss after I'd seen the doc and when i told him i'd be off for 5 days he hung up on me!
He is quite notorious with his temper so wasn't really surprised but still found it very rude.
luckily i was feeling better soon so i phoned again on Monday left a message i would be ok to come back Wednesday (today) Tuesday being my day off.
So i then get a call from my supervisor that I am to come to work 6.30 am to 9.30 am as a spare. I'm a coach driver and normally we struggle to cover the school contracts anyway. I phoned my boss to enquire this and he says he can't trust me to do a days work if i get ill again so thats why he's put me as spare.
So I've done the spare duty today, came home and just got a call from supervisor that i have been put on spare again tomorrow!
I normally work between 40-65 hrs a week so i really can't afford for this to carry on.
I feel that my boss is "punishing" me for being sick eg i caused him trouble now he's doing the same.
I have a very good attendance record with this company so that is not the issue.
so any ideas how to handle this situation, especially if it carries on like this?
Also my boss have been to number of tribunals and lost most of them (all unfair dismissal)
And i don't have a written contract.
Thank you for any help! |
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25th June 2008, 14:37
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Thanks Paul,
I agree that as I've been working full time for all this time then why suddenly this changes to 3hrs/day! And whether he can argue that he actually "needs" me for only 3 hrs as all I've done is sit around doing nothing when other staff are overwhelmed with work.
I'm really frustrated about this, I will try to get him to provide a written contract, but I doubt I'll succeed as many have tried before and failed.
As for the grievance procedure, should I wait a few days to see if things improve, or write one now?
Not really sure never had to write one!
Also does it need to be in any certain format or just informal?
Thanks very much for your help! 
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25th June 2008, 15:24
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Thanks, seems straightforward.
Only problem is that the boss IS the director & HR manager and all the rest of it:o He actually owns the company.
I will try to get hold of him again, if i can't then I will put everything in writing.
Would it be wise to actually send the grievance by registered mail or just give it to him in person or internal mail? ( I work from another depot)
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25th June 2008, 15:47
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? The company has a main depot where the office is based and the co. registered, but the other one would probably be best described as outpost, eg 10 vehicles + 10 drivers. We have a "supervisor" at our depot but he is really just a driver who makes sure everything is running smoothly and handles the paperwork (which is sent over from main depot).
As for who's decision it was to cut my ours, there is only one person and one person only to make ANY decision in this company and that is the aforementioned boss.
Unfortunately it is quite common in this company if you fall foul with him he WILL find a way to make your life miserable.
He is succeeding with me. 
Thankfully I have found this place so I have something to back me up!
I'm grateful for that.  |
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25th June 2008, 17:54
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? As I haven't received a return call from my boss, I have written a letter requesting a copy of the grievance procedure and written particulars of my contract.
I will get it to him tomorrow, will be interesting to see what happens..
Will keep you posted!
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25th June 2008, 23:49
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? You don't actually need a written contract (although your employer should have provided you with a statement of basic terms shortly after joining), and would quite correctly be able to argue that the hours that you have worked in the period leading up to the sickness absence had been customary and therefore an implied term of contract. Your employer would have no defence to this an the absence of a written agreement, so in cutting your hours this is in effect either an unlawful deduction, or a breach of your contract unless he continues to pay you for the whole shift.
Pauls advice is good. Seek a meeting and if you don't like what you hear (or hear nothing) then raise a formal grievance. Keep copies of everything.
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26th June 2008, 12:43
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Thank you sidewinder,
I sent my letter to him today, he has not replied yet.
Phoned ACAS they are telling me pretty much the same things that yourself and Paul have told me.
One thing they did say that if we cannot resolve the issue through the grievance procedure and if I feel pressured to resign then I should do so.
Then i would have a strong case for constructive dismissal.
I really hope it won't come to that.
And they said that I should not let him get away with this kind of behaviour, at least if I raise the grievance then it will be on record.
I am not the only one he has done this to.
Just waiting for him to send me the requested documents (I might be waiting for a long time  )
and see what happens...
Thank you for your support.  |
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26th June 2008, 16:49
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Hi just a quick update.
I spoke to my supervisor I am spare again tomorrow  ,
for the weekend he has given me a job starting 23.00 on Saturday finish 1am Sunday. Again this pays me 3 hrs as that is the minimum. Normally we would getting between 16-30hrs/weekend depending on the workload.
He has sent me some paperwork over I won't know until tomorrow morning. (maybe a written contract...?  )
Also he sacked another driver today for oversleeping!
Just goes to show...
I'm absolutely FUMING at the moment. 
(rant over)
Supervisor did tell me that apparently I'm "back to normal" Monday.
I suppose that concludes my "punishment"
Will update tomorrow! |
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26th June 2008, 17:57
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Another update,
Had a colleague open the letter from my boss,
gave us a few chuckles  .
He is thanking me for my letter, and refers to the offer of employment letter for the terms. Here comes the funny bit,
he is saying that he appreciates that I have showed true commitment to the company for being available as a spare this week, 
reasoning this was because a vehicle allocation but from Monday this will be rectified. (Strange because we have allocated vehicles and mine have been used by another driver all week. Why wasn't the other driver spare?)
Ref the grievance procedure he just states the normal has to be in writing blah blah.
And he trusts that we will have a comfortable working relationship and if i have any further requirements not to hesitate contacting him. 
Seems like he is trying to cover his back here do you think?
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26th June 2008, 20:29
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Thanks Sidewinder,
I do like your way of thinking! 
I will draft a reply tomorrow when I get the letter he sent.
I find it interesting as why he wished to tell me all these things when I only requested the grievance procedure and contract. I think he was panicking a bit! :o
I would really like to see his face if I would mention sex discrimination,
after all I am the only full time female driver, AND a foreigner!! 
Feeling better now, I have been really stressed out about this to the point I haven't been able to sleep.
Thank you for your help! |
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27th June 2008, 18:14
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Employer being vindictive over time off sick? Hi, update,
Interesting turn in events, my weekend work has now mysteriously changed from 3hrs waste of time to a 14hrs duty overnight which with our night premium equals 17hrs pay.  I wonder if my boss reads these forums...  Also my normal schoolrun has been re-instated. I have drafted a letter in reply to his, might tone it down a little. 
I have lost at least 15 hrs pay this week so still not happy. 
I think my boss have been warned that I'm not standing still for this kind of treatment.
Will hand the letter in personally  on Monday he probably won't be pleased.. Good thing I've got tue and wed rest days!
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