need advice re enhanced crb checks

[debt4get]

I believe the original idea for the crb was to protect children since then theyve gone mad and you need them in lots of places that have contact with public, its bureacracy gone mad, they aint worth the paper they are written on, plus, people with spent convictions that do not involve children, violence, etc should not have their previousl spent convictions divulged, its about time the law was changed to take this into account

[TRACYFLYY]

My 13 year old daughter went through a wild faze and because I grounded her she left the house at 2am in the morning and told her friends mum that I hit her. The police came around to talk about it and realised that my daughter is out of control and I never hit her. I was devastated that she said that. Since then my daughter has now turned into a lovely caring girl because I pulled her away from her gang mates. They did not prosicute me, they left it alone. Would this be on the crb check. thanks

[patdavies]

Originally Posted by todd58

hi

my husband has a record over 10 yrs old though would this show on an enhanced check on me

NO, a CRB check only concerns the applicant.

[patdavies]

Originally Posted by TRACYFLYY

My 13 year old daughter went through a wild faze and because I grounded her she left the house at 2am in the morning and told her friends mum that I hit her. The police came around to talk about it and realised that my daughter is out of control and I never hit her. I was devastated that she said that. Since then my daughter has now turned into a lovely caring girl because I pulled her away from her gang mates. They did not prosicute me, they left it alone. Would this be on the crb check. thanks

It would possibly be on an enhanced CRB check.

An enhanced check will list 'other Police intelligence' as well as convictions.cautions, etc.

[patdavies]

Originally Posted by debt4get

plus, people with spent convictions that do not involve children, violence, etc should not have their previousl spent convictions divulged, its about time the law was changed to take this into account

Just who do you think it is divulged to?

[musicsmith]

Hi Tracyflyy, no, this shouldn't appear on a CRB check as you were not prosecuted or cautioned for anything. There may be a note on a file somewhere to say this incident took place but it would also say that the allegation was unfounded and untrue. You can apply to the Police with an Subject Access Request (Subject Access Request) in just the same way as with other organisations such as banks and the likes, I know with my local force it costs around £10 and doesn't take long. The Police will then send you all the information they hold on file for you, it would also include this if any notes have been made at any time. It may make you feel a bit better however, I wouldn't worry about it as, had it been taken as even possibly true you would have had interest from other organisations such as Social Services etc.
take care and don't worry
Steve

[patdavies]

Originally Posted by musicsmith

Hi Tracyflyy, no, this shouldn't appear on a CRB check as you were not prosecuted or cautioned for anything.

It won't appear on a standard check. It may well appear on an enhanced check.

There may be a note on a file somewhere to say this incident took place but it would also say that the allegation was unfounded and untrue. You can apply to the Police with an S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) (Subject Access Request) in just the same way as with other organisations such as banks and the likes, I know with my local force it costs around £10 and doesn't take long. The Police will then send you all the information they hold on file for you, it would also include this if any notes have been made at any time.

Afraid not. The DPA1998 provides that the Police do not have to provide everything in response to a Data Protection Act S.7 request (see DPA1998 S.29(1). If they did, it would make a nonsense of any intelligence gathering

[patdavies]

[quote=musicsmith;1562913]Hi Tracyflyy, no, this shouldn't appear on a CRB check as you were not prosecuted or cautioned for anything. [/quote[

It won't appear on a standard check. It may well appear on an enhanced check.

From the CRB website

Enhanced CRB Check


This level of check involves an additional level of check to those carried out for the Standard CRB check - a check on local police records. Where local police records contain additional information that may be relevant to the post the applicant is being considered for, the Chief Officer of police may release information for inclusion in an Enhanced check. Exceptionally, and in a very small number of circumstances (typically to protect the integrity of current police investigations), additional information may be sent under separate cover to the Countersignatory and should not be revealed to the applicant.

There may be a note on a file somewhere to say this incident took place but it would also say that the allegation was unfounded and untrue. You can apply to the Police with an S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) (Subject Access Request) in just the same way as with other organisations such as banks and the likes, I know with my local force it costs around £10 and doesn't take long. The Police will then send you all the information they hold on file for you, it would also include this if any notes have been made at any time.

Afraid not. The DPA1998 provides that the Police do not have to provide everything in response to a Data Protection Act S.7 request (see DPA1998 S.29(1). If they did, it would make a nonsense of any intelligence gathering

[musicsmith]

The only time the police can withhold information is if it relates directly to an ongoing investigation or if it would put a serving officer or member of the public at risk. This is not the case here. Lets get it in perspective, the police and the CRB people are not out there to wreck our lives, it is the silly people who have knee jerk reactions and bring in draconian laws in the hope it will win them a few votes whilst things are a bit tough for them. I totally disagree with the CRB in respect that it gives no chance for people to change, we now have a massive re offending rate but then why bother to stay out of trouble when people can find out about your past for the rest of your life? What would have been a better procedure would be for a decision to have been made to make certain offences never spent. We know what offences those should be. We need to give people hope, a reason to change and facilitate them into 'normal society' (whatever that is) not beat them down every time they try to stand on their own feet,

[aliah76]

Hi everyone .

My boyfriend and I want to foster children. I have never been in trouble but have had to call out the police a few times when i was in a previous relationship that was violent.

My boyfriend is now 30 but when he was 15 he was convicted for stealing a car. He doesn't even remember the full details it happened so long ago. His father gave him a thrashing and he has never been in trouble since.

Will any of this come up in an enhanced CRB check?

[Rubles]

Sidewinder,

Your first post on this thread has helped me greatly. I work in a primary school and the very same thing as you talk about in your post happened to me in May. I left my child in the car for no more than 3 minutes while I nipped into the shop to buy a loaf. I parked right next to the glass fronted shop and could see the car all the time. Despite this I was reported to the police, who visited my home a few hours later. No action was taken, the police women were lovely and told me to forget about it etc.
However, I am quite aware that this information could show up on my enhanced crb check. I'd just like to know if anyone can tell me how likely this is to happen?
Information has to be relevant and proportionate. I can see how it may be deemed relevant, but would it be seen as proportionate?
Sidewinder in your example in your previous post, the lady who had a similar thing happen, did the info appear on her enhanced crb check?

I'm worried sick about this and can't think about anything else.

[Sidewinder]

Rubles - I have replied to your PM

For the sake of openess for the Forum, I can confirm that the enhanced CRB check for the case I described showed nothing untoward whatsoever and I do not believe that it was anything more than a 'pocketbook' entry as far as the Police were concerned, signed off as 'no further action'. I believe that Rubles' case would have been similarly treated and most unlikely to have been recorded on the PNC.

[patdavies]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

I believe that Rubles' case would have been similarly treated and most unlikely to have been recorded on the PNC.

The PNC record has little or nothing to do with CRB checks.

An enhanced CRB check allows for local police actions/suspicions to be revealed.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by patdavies

The PNC record has little or nothing to do with CRB checks.

An enhanced CRB check allows for local police actions/suspicions to be revealed.

Conceded. But presumably such actions/suspicions would be retrieved from a file or computerised record. Would a request for an officer to follow up a report from a member of the public be recorded in such a manner where the officer deemed that no further action was warranted? Presumably there would be a PNC trace as to the reason for RK details of the vehicle being retrieved (assuming that the OP's vehicle details were used to trace then visit the OP) but I doubt very much whether this would be sufficient to create a record likely to appear on a CRB.

[Rubles]

Thankyou so much Sidewinder, you really have helped to put my mind at rest as much as it is possible to do so. I'll report back when form comes back with the result.
Thankyou once again,
Rubles

[LavenderRose]

Could someone please help me with this

I signed up to this site a few weeks ago and didnt know if CRB would be on so I am so glad it is. My partner is 37 and in his twenties volunteered at the local school for 5 years and has some certificates for it. he then volunteered for the local youth club for 3 years and both times had an enhanced CRB with no probs. He gave up as a volunteer 5 months ago as life was so busy and now that it has quietened down agreed to run a workshop for the local youths at the same centre. We sent of for the enhances CRB as usual and when it came just handed it in like last time. 3 days later he was taken in the office and told they could not let him volunteer and showed him his CRB. We could not believe it, it states that the police were told that he has been selling drugs from our home and from the car over a four year period. Its devestated us as its totally not true. We have never had the police at our door due to our teenagers let alone us and we dont even take drugs. This is a malicious lie that someone has phoned up and fabricated this story and it has gone on his CRB. I have researched the net and its happening to thousands of people. It only takes a pee`d of neighbour or a spiteful ex and your career could be in ruins. He now cannot get a job or volunteer anywhere and I believe you can complain but ppl are struggling to get them taken off. If anyone has any advice on this I would really appreciate it as we dont know where to start clearing his name. Id appreciate it.
Thanks
LavenderRose