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3rd September 2007, 01:40
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| | Platinum Account Customer
I am in: up Sauchie an doon Buckie
Posts: 874
| Re: Internal investigation by Employer this sounds like victimisation but i'm not sure, you could always give ACAS a call and see what they think? |
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3rd September 2007, 01:43
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| | Site Team
I am in: Birmingham.
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| Re: Internal investigation by Employer Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenschnifer this sounds like victimisation but i'm not sure, you could always give ACAS a call and see what they think? | I agree. I think that it would be the best way to proceed.
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3rd September 2007, 19:57
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I am in: London
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| Re: Internal investigation by Employer I agree with gizmo indecent assault is a police issue and not something that should be investigated my the internal complaints department unless they are from the police force or armed forces.
How can they add anything to you file if there was insufficient evidence regarding the allegations
Have they stated how long this will appear on your file? and weather it's a warning if they have then it should only be there for 1 year. |
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3rd September 2007, 20:42
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| | Classic Account Customer
I am in: shropshire
Posts: 272
| Re: Internal investigation by Employer If its just a note on your file stating that an investigation was carried out, then they have a right to do so.
However if this note on file is part of an disciplinary then you DO have the right of appeal.You say it states you were spoken too about your conduct?
take this matter up with an employment lawyer asap |
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6th September 2007, 20:25
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Internal investigation by Employer From reading your initial post I would say that your best route would to be contact your union. If you are not in a union I would strongly advise you to join. As a former Trade Union Official the one thing I can tell you with a degree of certainty is that your employer will have in place a 'Grievance Procedure.
You said in your second post that you did not want to cause any more waves, but hold on you are the one that was falsely accused, dragged through a investigation/disciplinary procedure and found that there was no case to answer.
As employment law works on the basis of 'the balance of probability' rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt'. It would be hard for any employer to to bring themselves as the employer to investigate this person for misconduct or gross misconduct, UNLESS you yourself or another person make a formal grievance complaint against her for her malicious actions.
You stated that you felt that investigators went on a fishing trip to dig the dirt on you. Unfortunately this one of the methods used to establish if you carried out the alleged actions 'on the balance of probability' by trying to establish if you had said or done anything similar previous to the allegations.Likewise as a Union Rep, I myself have tried to dig the dirt when it was in the interest of my member. It a tactic often used by both sides.
On the point of the entry to your disciplinary record. Your manager is correct that it cannot be just removed. For this to happen you would need to appeal, however this must be done within 30 days of the outcome of the original case.
What ever you decide is your choice and I wish you luck and if you want any more help or advice feel free to PM me or reply through your thread.
On a final note, personally myself I would pursue the grievance route. With the benefit of hindsight and experience I can state that managers especially within the public sector are bad at carrying out disciplinary investigations and procedures. You are taking a lay person and expecting to carry our the job of policeman,prosecutor, judge and jury and in some cases executioner. All without the relevant experience and knowledge.
Whilst Union Reps are also lay persons we tend to benefit from advice from our own Trade Union lawyers and full time officers.
You only have to look at the number of cases where employees have felt unfairly dismissed or discriminated against and it has gone to an Employment Tribunal. In some cases, around 10% an employee wins their case outright. A very low number and worrying to anyone considering taking a ET out. However some 73% of cases are withdrawn or in many instances settled to avoid the employer ending up with egg on their face, due to incompetence by their managers in not following statutory procedure.
What ever you decide I wish you well.
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7th September 2007, 19:46
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| | Platinum Account Customer
I am in: my Y fronts.
Posts: 1,393
| Re: Internal investigation by Employer Quote:
Originally Posted by gizmo111 Call me naive - but isn't sexual assault (as opposed to harrasment) a police matter? | Both are.
However, I worked in a place a few years ago where there was a harassment case ongoing and the complainant also went to the police as the firm were seemingly dragging their feet over it.
Although noted by the police no crime number was issued and they said they were going to wait the outcome of the company investigation and decide then whether to do anything! |
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