Letter to HON Ruth Kelly

DReilly · 26th February 2008, 15:10

Ref: Notification of Impounded Vehicle:

Dear Ruth

I have been representing ***wood Road at the local cabinet concerning the dangers we as residents face eveyday on ***wood Road because of the lack of Road Safety measures. Because of the lack of Goverment resources i have been informed that the local goverment are unable to provide adequate safety measures requested by 70 petition members of Ascot.

I have already had a Volkswagon Golf written off just before my daughter and i were about to enter the vehicle..( Angels were watching over us that day) and NOw my Alfa Romeo wing mirrors torn off.

After seeking advice from friends and the local residents, I SORNED my car and placed it OFF ROAD on what i and everyone else believed to be UNADOPTED land as it was thought to be owned by goverment training ..
I acted in genuine good faith with a belief in lawfulness. I did not act with any culpable intent and am 'apparently innocent'.

Criminal punishment of the ignorant is an arbitrary and abusive exercise of Govermental Power.

I argue that under the given circumstances ( see supporting letter Rev M Trimming) I am not liable due to Apparent Innocent conduct. Therefore, should be invited in such cases to assess whether, given the local context in which the alledged offence occurred, any basis exists to assign blame to a defendant for his/her acts.

I ask that you grant direct authority to evaluate issues of FAIR NOTICE and apparent innocence will preserve the social power and flexibility of the criminal sanction by acknowledging the highly contextual nature of it's legitimate use. Further more, lawmakers and enforcement authorities will have an increased incentive to recognise the crucial role they must play in ensuring internalization of the law's expectations.

I am a single mother on local state benefits saving her pennies to buy new wing mirrors so my KEY to future EMPLOYMENT can pass it's MOT and i can get it TAXED.

Please grant me the law of flexibility.

Kind Regards

patdavies · 26th February 2008, 16:38

Bear in mind that you do not need both wing/door mirrors to pass an MoT test.

As long as you have one plus the interior mirror...

DReilly · 26th February 2008, 17:19

Wing mirrors are important..You get to see cyclists and motorbikes...So i believe that wing mirrors are important especially when you don't have any......There's always one eh!

wino · 26th February 2008, 17:29

patdavis is cags motoring expert with lots of really helpful advice. I think pat was just pointing out the law only requires a car to have at least one wing mirror. We all know its better to have two.

DReilly · 26th February 2008, 21:39

I know she was being helpful...I am nice promise i don't bite

robin9342 · 26th February 2008, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by patdavies

Bear in mind that you do not need both wing/door mirrors to pass an MoT test.

As long as you have one plus the interior mirror...

Almost true: I believe in most cases, you must have the drivers side wing mirror. Also, if the passenger side wing mirror is broken, it may fail due to sharp edges etc.

patdavies · 27th February 2008, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by robin9342

Almost true: I believe in most cases, you must have the drivers side wing mirror. Also, if the passenger side wing mirror is broken, it may fail due to sharp edges etc.

Not so, I have just had my car pass it's MoT test with a shattered driver's side mirror. The legal requirement is for one wing or door mirror on a car.

(In case anybody wants to know: the reason it wasn't replaced for the test is that they cost £134 since the mirror is heated and auto-dipping - it is on back-order with the main dealer)

dave · 27th February 2008, 17:39

I must confess, I always thought it was the drivers side mirror too.

robin9342 · 27th February 2008, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by patdavies

Not so, I have just had my car pass it's MoT test with a shattered driver's side mirror. The legal requirement is for one wing or door mirror on a car.

(In case anybody wants to know: the reason it wasn't replaced for the test is that they cost £134 since the mirror is heated and auto-dipping - it is on back-order with the main dealer)

Not sure how you "got away" with that. My car failed last year on a broken offside (drivers) mirror. There were no sharp edges, only the glass was missing.

My source seems to be at odds with yours:
Wing Mirror

Trying to find a more reliable quote...

robin9342 · 27th February 2008, 18:30

"Bodied vehicles must have two mirrors, one of which must be fitted to
the offside."

Source:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repo...&id=47c4fd0133

RK08 · 27th February 2008, 19:53

Yep correct answer, a private car first used after August 1978 MUST be fitted with two mirrors. One internal and one mounted on the offside and both must be able to be used by the driver.

Reg 33 of the Con & Use regs sets out the requirements

patdavies · 28th February 2008, 00:33

Then I stand corrected and apologise for misleading.

dave · 28th February 2008, 10:33

Ahh - I do remember something about 1978. I was going to mention it earlier, but couldn't remember what it was.

wino · 28th February 2008, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave

Ahh - I do remember something about 1978. I was going to mention it earlier, but couldn't remember what it was.

The mind boggles Dave, was it a particulary blurry year for you?

RK08 · 28th February 2008, 16:41

Pat dont stand corrected (always better to sit down) i have been reading some of your threads and you really do know your stuff

robin9342 · 28th February 2008, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by patdavies

Then I stand corrected and apologise for misleading.

No need for apologies: you posted in good faith based on your own experience and research

Weird Al Yankovic · 28th February 2008, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by patdavies

Then I stand corrected and apologise for misleading.

Why not pop back onto the 'bounced cheque' thread and clear up your misleading comments on there too?

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