The DVLA should be sued under the Data Protection Act

[legaladviser]

The OP asked whether perky had an interest and I informed them he had. I thought this was a consumer rights forum? Why are bosses of private parking companies being freely allowed to give advice on this forum?

[demon_x_slash]

'Cos of that little thing our grandparents to the nth degree died for - freedom of speech. Don't start on a censoring rampage, because up until this point I'm firmly on your side. The minute you start suggesting that people like perky shouldn't be allowed to post, you've lost my vote and will never get it back.

[green_and_mean]

Originally Posted by legaladviser

Why are bosses of private parking companies being freely allowed to give advice on this forum?

Because they like anyone else are entitled to an opinion. Perky has never pretended he is anything other than an interested party giving an alternative view to the parking debate. I work for a Local Authority (although not in parking) does that mean I hould be 'banned' to for having a vested interest.

[legaladviser]

I have no problem with perky being allowed to post but he should identify himself and make clear his interest and natural bias. It is clear that several posters including the most recent one had no idea he was the boss of a private parking company. But I do admit that I am a bit taken aback that there are so many on here who are in favour of private parking tickets, in what is supposed to be a consumer rights froum. I'm all in favour of free speech but to use an analogy I would not choose a EDIT to advise me on the law, and I would be a bit outraged had he done so without my knowledge.

[freakyleaky]

Whatever the advice or opinions are that are posted on here, there is no need for personal insults at any time. If you don't agree with a point of view then simply state why and put your own point of view forward.
Insults are counter productive!

[demon_x_slash]

"So many"? I know of two users in favour of civil tickets who post regularly.

[HSBCrusher]

This short thread has had more complaints than any other for some time...
As Freaky has requested, please keep a lid on the personal comments.

thank you.

[legaladviser]

Originally Posted by demon_x_slash

"So many"? I know of two users in favour of civil tickets who post regularly.

perky, green and mean, electron99 and interesting. That's four for a start.

Did I think I would see see 4 apologists for private parking tickets in a consumer rights forum? No. Is it the same in the reclaim bank charges forum? Not from what I have seen. Just interested in how this has come about.

[demon_x_slash]

It's come about because it's a free forum. Anyone can post, and differing views often spark lively but useful debates on the subjects on offer. As long as these debates are kept civil, they can offer valid insights into the mindset of each 'side'. Remember, very few cases on civil parking have actually come to court, and no proper precedent has been set. Until that happens, arguments on points of law, and the viewpoints of people from the companies concerned, can actually clarify and strengthen the case for civil tickets being unenforceable.

[interesting]

I think if we all look back at the threads, most of the problems actually started in November when perky posted (as he was requested to to by members of this forum back in September)details of a case taken to court by a PPC, both turned up, as we know there are not many.
If we also look at the joining date of Legaladvisor (and muggerbee, ok he joined before but only posted once i think then all the trouble started in November), there are also certain others look at their joining date and the first post they made comment on (perkys case transcript), make your own minds up.
Since then Legaladvisor has accused many people of being Perky, despite being told by mods who have access to IP logs etc that we are all unique and individual.
Legaladvisor and the likes have come across from PePiPoo and since then CAG has turned into biccering and sillyness.
I agree with Green_and_Mean, perky has always stated where he was coming from, I imagine there are a few other PPC owners/employees who use this site pretending to be others but I would rather know who I was realy talking to.
Just my comments, btw, I am sure perky will sleep better tonight knowing that legaladvisor has no problem with him being a member of this site

[freakyleaky]

For the last time can we stick to the topic of the thread please! If you don't agree with a point of view then put your reasons up without sly or insulting comments!

[perky88]

Originally Posted by legaladviser

Perky is the boss of a private parking outfit (and several cafes). Expecting him to be fair on unenforcable private parking invoices is like expecting a turkey to vote for christmas.

Serveral Cafes ... Please Coffee Shops - a little more upmarket, in addition to having a declared interest in a PPC, Estate Agency, Residential Lettings, a nightclub and Commercial property investment.

No turkey farms Im afraid, but you never know in the future, if you know any for sale let me know - always looking for more investment opportunities.

[petej2811]

Originally Posted by legaladviser

I have no problem with perky being allowed to post but he should identify himself and make clear his interest and natural bias. It is clear that several posters including the most recent one had no idea he was the boss of a private parking company. But I do admit that I am a bit taken aback that there are so many on here who are in favour of private parking tickets, in what is supposed to be a consumer rights froum. I'm all in favour of free speech but to use an analogy I would not choose a EDIT to advise me on the law, and I would be a bit outraged had he done so without my knowledge.

Got to disagree with you. We are the richer for having them, here, believe it or not.

For one is is very much fun to belittle them. For another it does give us that perspective. They can't exactly hide their agenda, can they? So there's no harm. Though it has to be said they may be doing harm to the collective intelligence by reducing the mean IQ!

PJ

[petej2811]

Originally Posted by freakyleaky

For the last time can we stick to the topic of the thread please! If you don't agree with a point of view then put your reasons up without sly or insulting comments!

Its always best to stick to the old favourite - don't say anything to anyone that you wouldn't say in person.

It also bears to remember the life long learning lesson - if you say something stupid then you get the mickey taken out of you. Fair is fair, etc.

Stick to the point, by all means. Remember though, this is not the Queen's tea party. We don't put our hands up to speak and if we don't like someone's point of view and the fact is that the point of view happens to be nonsensical or stupid then a bit of mockery, personal or otherwise, is nothing that a grown man should lose any sleep over. Keep it civil (it is possible to mock people and be civil, contrary to the warm and fluffy brigade's popular belief), don't use words that rhyme with 'ruck' and 'stunt' and then we should all get along just fine.

No ill will, just adults telling it as they see it.

PJ

[freakyleaky]

Originally Posted by petej2811

Its always best to stick to the old favourite - don't say anything to anyone that you wouldn't say in person.

It also bears to remember the life long learning lesson - if you say something stupid then you get the mickey taken out of you. Fair is fair, etc.

Stick to the point, by all means. Remember though, this is not the Queen's tea party. We don't put our hands up to speak and if we don't like someone's point of view and the fact is that the point of view happens to be nonsensical or stupid then a bit of mockery, personal or otherwise, is nothing that a grown man should lose any sleep over. Keep it civil (it is possible to mock people and be civil, contrary to the warm and fluffy brigade's popular belief), don't use words that rhyme with 'ruck' and 'stunt' and then we should all get along just fine.

No ill will, just adults telling it as they see it.

PJ

No stick to the old favorite and treat others as you expect to be treated!

It also bears to remember another life long learning lesson - what one persons thinks stupid another will revere in awe!

Who said it was the queens tea party? The fact is that people read these threads in the hope of gleaning some kind of useful information from a rational debate. It is counter productive to both sides to start name calling! That is the action of children not grown men or woman!
And who exactly are the warm and fluffy brigade? (No need for a reply!)

Please stick to the topic without insults and personal attacks!

[legaladviser]

Originally Posted by perky88

Serveral Cafes ... Please Coffee Shops - a little more upmarket, in addition to having a declared interest in a PPC, Estate Agency, Residential Lettings, a nightclub and Commercial property investment.

No turkey farms Im afraid, but you never know in the future, if you know any for sale let me know - always looking for more investment opportunities.

Perky, you should not have put your head above the parapet. You have made your self visible and people have been in touch, as I knew they would. They will have all they need to wipe the floor with you in court.