Anpr

[StormWarrior]

did you not read what I said about npc?

If you mean the PNC, they are not directly linked. Only through the action of the officer. And ALL access to the PNC is recorded, who, when, why.

Or NCP, whose systems are store and compare, and report.

However, as I have said before, any system has the potential for abuse, and controls should be strict.

[danny_kiernan]

Hi Storm Warrior,

Originally Posted by StormWarrior

Just noticed this bit while re-reading.


Data protection act wouild not apply in any way that I can see. The officer opinions, even if he wrote them in his pocket book, are NOT subject to the Data Protection Act in any way.

Even written down information comes under the data protection act.

Originally Posted by Rob S

Failure to comply with the instuctions of a police office in the course of his duty ??

Yes that is true if an officer has given a reason, if they haven't then it is not true.

Originally Posted by Rob S

There would be no power of arrest if the police office did not give you a reason for stopping you.

Yep

Dani

[StormWarrior]

ANPR has a definite legitemate use, but more for recognising stolen cars - nothing else. Anything else is invasion of privacy.

I had the priviledge of seeing the first ANPR systems many years ago, before many people had even heard the term. Beforethe London 'ring of steel' was set up, most people did not even know what ANPR meant.
That system was destined to fail as it checked plates against a list of tagged index numbers. Computer power then could not check against the DVLA records simply because of the the number of records. Much has changed

[danny_kiernan]

I meant ncp - who are at the forefront of car theft, with their own ANPR system

[danny_kiernan]

Pretty much like the birmingham ring of steel

Originally Posted by StormWarrior

I had the priviledge of seeing the first ANPR systems many years ago, before many people had even heard the term. Beforethe London 'ring of steel' was set up, most people did not even know what ANPR meant.
That system was destined to fail as it checked plates against a list of tagged index numbers. Computer power then could not check against the DVLA records simply because of the the number of records. Much has changed

[StormWarrior]

Even written down information comes under the data protection act.

Nope, not always, only when contained in an organised (or disorganised) filing system. or in the Data Protection Act words

is recorded as part of a relevant filing system

Data Protection Act 1988 Section 1 (c)

[danny_kiernan]

Well theres a little known fact about ANPR, the police cars only have licence plates for their area on the database. So say you were done for a driving offence in surrey, it would not filter back to scotland

[danny_kiernan]

I hate to disagree, but anything written down comes under data protection, no matter how disorganised

[StormWarrior]

All Police ANPR systems have what is effectively a 'black list'.
Index numbers that have been tagged for one reason or another.
The same as the original system that I previewed before its introduction in London.
Some vehicles are tagged as wanted for connection with crime, some as they should not be stopped when in motion, some that are subject to special provisions and exclusions.
On a local level, vehicles that are known to be unlicensed, registered to un-licenced drivers, etc wil be added to the lists.

[danny_kiernan]

police ANPR only downloads local plates - if it downloaded all 16 million, it would take hours - and this is one of thr most guarded secrets of the police Secret revealed - so now I can look forward to a nice police cell

[danny_kiernan]

n/a

[StormWarrior]

I hate to disagree, but anything written down comes under data protection, no matter how disorganised

This is the sort of comment that has attracted such negative attention on this forum. And I hope is a result of you being miss-informed rather than having a lack of knowledge.
Data Protection Act 1998
Read Section 1.

And to save you the trouble of looking Sec 68 does not include Police officers notebooks

[StormWarrior]

and this is one of thr most guarded secrets of the police

I wouldn't worry, it's not that secret Even my kids know it

I am probably dead meat for revealing that

and England hasn't got that bad. Yet !!

[StormWarrior]

police ANPR only downloads local plates

I once had chance to check my plate on police systems 200 miles apart and it showed on both. They also have access to the 'tagged' list.

[danny_kiernan]

What happens is - in the morning the police cars download 1500 local plates, then as they are cruising and a plate appears, they pull that person

[danny_kiernan]

Originally Posted by StormWarrior

and England hasn't got that bad. Yet !!

It should do as I am ready to go to WAR

Dani

[danny_kiernan]

I think a civil war is in order in britain, the government has tried to emasculate the nation, by banning arms.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by StormWarrior

RobS, I'm afraid that Dani is right, there is a right to a phone call. This granted by Pace, Code of Practice C: Sectin 5.6 if I remember correctly.

And it's in addition to having someone informed of thier arrest or the obtaining of legal advice.

Stormwarrior, the right to a telephone call is not an automatic right and an officer of the rank of inspector or above can deny the telephone call in certain circumstances.

[Rob S]

Dani,

In post 22 you attributed some quotes to me when they were actually Stormwarriors. I would suggest you edit your post to reflect that.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by danny_kiernan

Rob S - are you trying to provoke me into an argument, it seems by your posts that you are.

Dani, if you think I have been offensive then you have led a very sheltered life. All I have