Laptop Misrepresentation?

[Parva]

Yep, it's an 80Gb drive. Create your recovery disks and re-format and re-install to get the full 80Gb if you wish but it's certainly not mis-represented. Even then, you will probably only get about 72Gb due to the way that HD quantity is represented but I'm sure this has been detailed further up.

Not wishing to sound like I'm flaming but if you did know about PC's you would understand this also. It's not exclusive to laptops. First thing I did with my laptop was make the recovery disks then reformat it into a single drive and remove the recovery stuff.

[gyzmo]

The issue would be whether it stated if the 80gb was available to use, as opposed to it being the total capacity. I.e, net and gross.

[Rich44]

No it wouldnt, the product was advertised with an 80GB hard drive and that is what is fitted should the shop advertise it as 80GB hard drive but xxGB reserved for system restore and its not actually 80GB because manufacturers claim 1MB = 1000KB but its actually 1024KB.

where do you draw the line?

As far as I can see if you went to TS with it and it was sold as 80GB and theres an 80GB fitted then thats it.

[Glyn]

Originally Posted by Parva

Yep, it's an 80Gb drive. Create your recovery disks and re-format and re-install to get the full 80Gb if you wish but it's certainly not mis-represented. Even then, you will probably only get about 72Gb due to the way that HD quantity is represented but I'm sure this has been detailed further up.

Not wishing to sound like I'm flaming but if you did know about PC's you would understand this also. It's not exclusive to laptops. First thing I did with my laptop was make the recovery disks then reformat it into a single drive and remove the recovery stuff.

Re-install Windows how? A Windows disc didn't come with it - only a recovery disk.

[Parva]

Originally Posted by Glyn

Re-install Windows how? A Windows disc didn't come with it - only a recovery disk.

The recovery disk contains Windows plus all the drivers needed for your laptop (in theory anyway). Your actual Windows reg key is probably stickered underneath the laptop.

[StormWarrior]

A Windows disc didn't come with it - only a recovery disk

That's one of the reasons it was cheap.

[Mitchl]

yeah maybe you were not told everything , i have just bought a 160Gb for my pc. when formating I only get 149GB,(win2k) thats a few missing GB and I am not alone. There are other cases where people have bought larger HDD and lost more that they thought when formating , it goes on. This i believe is standard practice, i have also read that western digital have paid out over a misrepresention .Neowin.net - Western Digital pays up in class action lawsuit. . . .
I do think this is misleading , i know why it is , you should be told that there will be some discrepancy and not left feeling short changed.

[gyzmo]

posted in error

[retailerspointofview]

ok many things here.

vista allows you to make a recovery disk, therefore you dont need the recovery partition if it on disk.

you also realised xp only needed so much disk space, but by right clicking the c:\windows folder and selecting properties on my vista machine it is using over 8gb just for windows.

secondly if you say you have knowledge of computers then if you are using the computer for more then simple word processing which you would never fill the 65gb spare with word docs (trust me ud get arthrisis before you typed that much)... why did you choose a Celeron processor???

with vista hogging prettty much all the processing power didn't you realise that watching dvd's, music editing and video editing (the things that would fill up a hard drive over time) would not work 100% on a celeron processor.

even with 1024 ram id never use celeron for anything more then word processing. with antivirus/firewall/spysweeper in the background the processor is not man enough for web browsing at 100% efficiency.

add on built in cd recording software etc.. there your problem

if you told the sales guy in comet you wanted to store 20,000 mp3's (equates to about 80gb average) then this would be misrep.

also use the celeron processor as a misrep too.. obviously you want the laptop for more then a typewriter. tell the company you requested a entertainment machine to store 80gb of video.

cant guarantee anything but using the hard drive as a mis-rep is not good

[StormWarrior]

OK, I've tried to avoid this clown, but this really is getting stupid.

why did you choose a Celeron processor???

Prob, becasue the Celeron processor uses much less power, which on a laptop is an important consideration! And it's use of a smaller cache allows it to transit small data blocks as fast as most other (uni)processors, something which is utilised by many DSP applications to great effect.

watching dvd's, music editing and video editing (the things that would fill up a hard drive over time) would not work 100% on a celeron processor.

Thats odd, I have a Pentium III (current celeron is based on parts of the Pentium 4 design) machine dedicated to music and occasional backup use for video editing, and it works fine.

even with 1024 ram id never use celeron for anything more then word processing. with antivirus/firewall/spysweeper in the background the processor is not man enough for web browsing at 100% efficiency.

Absolute load of crap !

tell the company you requested a entertainment machine to store 80gb of video.

Are you suggesting lying?:o

Last time I looked that amounts to fraud!

Your 'opinions' are at best mis-leading, at worst criminal.

PLEASE MODS, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PERSON BEFORE HE GETS SOMEONE INTO TROUBLE !!

[Whits]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that vista requires that a hard drive has to have 3 partitions on it to run.

I think that one of these is for the recovery utility but as has been said before, if you make a proper recovery disk then this could be removed.

Like I say, I think I read this but for the life of me, I can't remember where.

As a final point, the laptop was bought on the basis that it has a 80GB hard drive, which it does so therefore, there is no misrepresentation.

[Rich44]

I dont think it does, I had 14 new Dell 320's with XP on (which is what they need on we're not touching Vista for another 18 months)

Anyway as I was going to be ghosting them I loaded Vista on for a laugh, as you can opt to not enter a product key during install technically its not a pirate copy

Anyway it had 2 partitions (1 hidden dell diagnostics one and one normal) and it loaded fine so I presume it will work properly with one partition too

[Parva]

I can confirm that it definitely works just fine with one partition.

[captainsossige]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but when you buy any HDD, it's worked out as 1000 kb per 1 mb for advertising purposes..

Your PC will actually work it out as 1024 kb per 1 mb, so it will appear as if you're getting less....

[dontgetitsorted_SUETHEM!!]

Originally Posted by StormWarrior

OK, I've tried to avoid this clown, but this really is getting stupid.


Prob, becasue the Celeron processor uses much less power, which on a laptop is an important consideration!
may i suggest you check out some web reviews on power consumption. celeron processors on laptops are the worst ever. battery life of a average celeron processor is about 30minutes to 1:30. pentium is 2hours to 3 hours core duo is about 3hours to 4 hours. and if your a lucky sony core2duo owner then enjoy 5 hours use. now i know why you avoid the clown. because you dont like being slapped in the face with a cream pie

And it's use of a smaller cache allows it to transit small data blocks as fast as most other (uni)processors, something which is utilised by many DSP applications to great effect.

maybe you need to look into the meaning of cache. and what the processor uses it for. i wont explain. but ill leave it in your capable hands.


Thats odd, I have a Pentium III (current celeron is based on parts of the Pentium 4 design) machine dedicated to music and occasional backup use for video editing, and it works fine.

pentium range whether it is III or 4 is far superior then celeron.
celeron are the ford fiesta of the market. pentium are the bmw of the market and core duo are the bmw twin turbo of the market. there are now quad cores if you into the bugatti but lets not go that far.
after a few years speeds increase and specs change just like cars.. but in comparison even after many range changes, upgrades etc
bugatti is still better then a bmw and a bmw is better then a fiesta.
coreduo is better then a pentium and pentium is better then celeron.

for retailerspov defence i see his point that you had bought a celeron processor for demanding tasks.

Last time I looked that amounts to fraud!

if you said to the sales guy you wanted a machine for video editing and he said "yep this celeron processor is great" then it is not fraud. just take the laptop with the specification sheet of the most common video editing software, which from 3 different ones i read say pentium or above, 512mb ram.

if however you just went in quoting little britains "i want that one" then goodluck and enjoy your celeron machine, may you two be happy together

Your 'opinions' are at best mis-leading, at worst criminal.

i think you find his actions are not illegal. they are just arming you with extra ammo. giving you more then one option or reason to return the product. and seriously a celeron processor for anything big like video. take it back, take it back!

you original comment about the 80gb and not being 80gb has no legal bearing. if retailers advertised 80gb of free space then there may be a legal issue. does the retailer have to unscrew the laptop to show the harddrive casing with the label saying 80gb to prove it to you. maybe.

[Parva]

Did you really have to quote a whole huge reply just to add a few lines on? Oh and welcome back ROPV.

[demon_x_slash]

Yes, he did, otherwise he'd be otherwise engaged in finding two brain cells to rub together to keep warm...