The New Fuel Protest.

[foolishgirl]

I got that email too & did what I do with all unsolicited spam - ditched it. It sounds a great idea & helps vent everybody's fury & frustration but in reality it's ill conceived & wouldn't do any good at all. The men making the real profit out of this fiasco are sitting in No.10 & 11. Writing/emailing your MP will kick the powers that be more effectively & another well aimed boot at the next elections will bring the point home much more satisfactorily in the long term. And thank your lucky stars we live in a country where people power does (sometimes!) work....

[MilkTrayMan]

Originally Posted by dave

Where do Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrisons get their fuel?

I doubt they mine the oil themselves.

Global (CAG) Oil

...Perhaps something to dream about dave eh??...


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[PriorityOne]

Originally Posted by foolishgirl

And thank your lucky stars we live in a country where people power does (sometimes!) work....

Worked with the Poll Tax.... people weren't quite as apathetic as the Government were hoping. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen often enough.... but I doubt that the Gov. can put any credible spin on this issue for too long without some kind of revolt, to be honest.

[susanmcorless]

Originally Posted by dave

Where do Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrisons get their fuel?

I doubt they mine the oil themselves.

Exactly!!!! This is what I was thikking.....they must get it from somewhere - I remember a while back reading something about it coming from Essso but who knows if there is any truth in that!

[Conniff]

They get it from the same tanks. It is usually just bland petrol and the different companies add their mixture of magic stuff to it so increasing the anti-wear, anti-knock etc etc:

The supermarkets don't mix much with theirs which is why it is cheaper.

[JOSH_IOU]

Have a look at this website.

Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries

[dave]

I'm not condoning such action, but the only way to beat this is to either, a) steal petrol - this seems to be (according to the BBC) what is already happening more frequently than ever before, or b) block the ports like the French do and refuse to move until something tangible is done (like selling oil in the Euro! Can't ever see that happening!).

[JOSH_IOU]

a) Verry interesting lol
Arent the pumps turned off ??

b) i cant see that happening either. Browns poll resulsts are so low this is why he is not calling an election. It is also why other partys are pileing on the pressure. However I do have a handful of euro's ready just incase the guy is insanse enough to try something like that. like we no he all is.

Apparently the electricity and gas prices are supposed to increase nearly 50% this winter some papers are saying.

We need to take action on one of these.

Its a shame CAG cant help us to help ourselves.

I no I will be challengeing my bills in court if they take me.

I should note all of the other protests around the world are being held because of the price of living is to high.

Unless your on a £200,00 a year wage. mmmmmm £200,000

My debt is increasing and so is the level of tablets I am on to cope with the pressure.

I am getting little help from the Job Centre finding work. Even no I am on Incapacity.

We really need to do something but we need numbers and someone to act.
I wish I had the strentght to go down to Dover and the money. If I did I would be there myself. Things are really getting that bad for me.

Maybe a name change might do if Idont get any more support from the lousy government.

[Mu Mu]

Originally Posted by dave

Where do Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys and Morrisons get their fuel?

I doubt they mine the oil themselves.

They buy in from the big guns, so this wont work as we will be indirectly still supporting the top guns

[sharkieuk]

What I want to know is why the hell is diesel more expensive than petrol when it is cheaper to produce than petrol? Going back 30 years or so it was cheaper it just proves that the prices today are all about the government making as much money as possible for there second houses!!!!

[Conniff]

Originally Posted by sharkieuk

What I want to know is why the hell is diesel more expensive than petrol when it is cheaper to produce than petrol? Going back 30 years or so it was cheaper it just proves that the prices today are all about the government making as much money as possible for there second houses!!!!

You don't have to go back as far as 30 years.

When diesel cars were a relative novelty, the government encouraged us all to buy diesel and reduced the duty on diesel fuel.

When everyone got a diesel, up went the duty and is now more than it is on petrol, so it's another government con.

This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in Europe to now one of the most expensive. When it was first added, fuel prices rose by 3 pence a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn't get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3 pence was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel.

Fuel Tax - PetrolPrices.com

[JOSH_IOU]

If were gona do silly drive slow protests that do absouloutly nout other than use up fuel.

Why dont we do the blockade at dover?

It will do the following things thatd the go-slows dont seem to be doing.

It will get on the government's back
It will save fuel instead fo using it.
It will bring the country to a virtual hault.

Either that or you tie yourself to the railings of downing street and get arrested. And look silly in the process. Or you could hang peaces of material on a roof and run the risk of falling off and looking evemmore stupid.

Are there any truckers out there that want to use more fuel up? go ahead but we could use your help.

Those on a poor wage cant aford to run a car as I cant and we have to rely on idiot drivers on the local busses who knock people over.

You no we could use some help from those working in the fuel depot's dose any one no any one that can help out?

[Mu Mu]

I think we need to take action on fuel prices as consumers. We have been conned by this goverment for far to long, and its hitting the likes of me & you bloody hard now. What can we do???? im up for anything that will make things change or even just to let the goverment know that we are not happy.... come on everyone lets do somthing about this, anyone else up for doing somthing. Lets discuss what we can do..........

[Conniff]

Originally Posted by Mu Mu

or even just to let the goverment know that we are not happy....

They already know that and their reply is to up the income tax of the lowest paid by 100% and their intent to push up the road tax to £400 or more next year.

Refering to an earlier post, what else can be said:

[dave]

Originally Posted by Mu Mu

They buy in from the big guns, so this wont work as we will be indirectly still supporting the top guns

That was somewhat my point

[morrie]

Unfortunately the current prices at the pumps have set a precedent of what people will continue to pay. Reducing the amount of tax payable may lower the price for a couple of days but I am sure that the higher price will return. Instead of what you pay being put back into this country it will go straight into the pockets of the oil companies and its shareholders.

[300]

The price rises were caused by supply side weakness, there is a continuously growing demand for oil, peak production oil (gasoline) was in 2008. I do not dispute that the government uses fuel as a tax revenue stream, stop driving your cars to the shops and they will just tax something else. Now that we are in classic supply side economics oil companies need a greater profit to offset yo – yo pricing caused by scarcity. Have a look at whale oil pricing to see where the current pricing is coming from The Oil Drum: Europe | Crude Oil: how high can it go? (19th century whaling as a model for oil depletion and price volatility). The cost of exploration / recovery / refining goes up, as does the risk of nationalisation of an increasingly valuable resource.