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Old 20th May 2008, 01:32   #1 (permalink)
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eBay has reviewed it's Buyer Protection policy and their silly new rule has left sellers wide open to all sorts of abuse by unscrupulous buyers.
Please take a minute or two to sign our petition, we're hoping that they will see sense and reverse this diabolical rule before all their members take their business elsewhere!

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Old 20th May 2008, 03:15   #2 (permalink)
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So will ebay get to see this petition and if so how?

Will ebay take any notice even if you get a billion signatures?
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I totally agree this new Buyer protection is ridiculous.
But anyone who knows how ebay work must realise that they will do exactly what then want despite what their customers think or want.
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What happened to the link? Its so ridiculous that sellers can now only leave positive feedback for buyers!
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Old 3rd June 2008, 12:15   #5 (permalink)
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What is the silly new rule?
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Old 3rd June 2008, 12:58   #6 (permalink)
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Sellers can't now leave negative feedback for buyers, even when they are non-paying bidders
Which I havre had one of recently! It is mad
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Old 3rd June 2008, 13:00   #7 (permalink)
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I have PM'd you guys the link
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Old 3rd June 2008, 13:17   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for that. It's pretty ridiculous isn't it?

I had a buyer once who left negative feedback for me becuase the 1st class item didn't arrive to him until the 3rd day after posting! I even scanned the receipt to show him I had sent it within 3 hours of auction end!

I guess some numpty could still do this yet I can't do anything?

ebay was once fun but it's a bit of a joke now really and I rarely use it but I will sign.
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What about unscrupulous sellers? There are always 2 sides to a story.
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Old 3rd June 2008, 13:30   #10 (permalink)
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What about unscrupulous sellers? There are always 2 sides to a story.
I agree with that comment. I've experienced a few.

But this new rule seems to favour the buyer only.
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Old 3rd June 2008, 13:31   #11 (permalink)
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In reply to post#9.........Obviously! ! But only by making feedback rights equal again are people going to get the whole story, buyers can neg bad sellers (and good ones if they choose to) but sellers can't neg bad buyers?? Where's the fairness in that??
Transactions are a two way process in which both parties should have equal rights at all times. Fairness and balance??
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Well, I have a different view. Sellers on Ebay are normally businesses that use Ebay to sell there goods. Some use Ebay as a way of getting out of there responsibility to deal with customers that High Street stores need to deal with. I think this is a matter of a few spoil it for the rest. The seller can choose not to leave feedback. He can also explain negative feedback and the buyer can then decide to purchase or not. This is my opinion.
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Mnrbig,
The majority of sellers on eBay are small scale sellers like myself who are trying to sell good quality items that they no longer require. (at least that's how alot of them began and are still operating)
I agree that there are some terrible sellers on eBay, I myself have fallen foul to more than one! I paid around £26 for an item through PayPal, (apparently with up to £500 buyer protection) it didn't arrive, I contacted the seller on numerous occasions without response, then I opened a dispute which I won, PayPal refunded me £2.99 and the seller disappeared, presumably to start up under a different ID!
Another took over a month to deliver a pair of trainers, giving me every excuse under the sun before they arrived. I left him Neutral f/b as the service I received was less than satisfactory and I found him to be slow, uncooperative, rude and dishonest. He negged me!!

You're saying that a seller's negative feedback can be explained, but only if the prospective buyer invites the seller to do so, buyers are anonymous to sellers until they make contact but most don't, they just look at the f/b score and draw their own conclusions.

I refunded a buyer recently for an item which I KNOW I described truthfully, it was brand new and had never been worn or therefore washed, she said it had pit stains and belonged in the clothing recycling unit! She offered to return the item but I would have to pick up the return P&P costs too and she could easily have sabotaged the item so I declined. After a short while I got sick of arguing over a couple of pounds so refunded her and told her to enjoy her free item. I had NO OPTION but to leave positive feedback but the comment I left her was far from positive. She negged me then complained to eBay that my f/b was in breach of regs and they removed it, I had to send three very detailed and very angry emails to eBay in order to have the neg she left me removed.
She still has 100% feedback, sure, she keeps her buyers happy (as most of us who value our reputations do) but no seller can leave her negative feedback, so people are not getting a true representation of what she is really like to do business with.

After dealing with this horrible woman I visited the discussion forum and was astonished to see the hundreds of members who have experienced similar situations since the new rule came into effect, this spurred me on to start the petition but everywhere I post a link to it, it gets removed

I think you're right in saying that it's a few that spoil it for the rest, but it's on both sides of the coin, buyers AND sellers.
BUT......the fees that generate a vast amount of income for eBay AND PayPal are payable by the seller and ONLY by the seller, some powersellers have hundreds of pounds in fees per month, yet eBay has taken away basic rights such as freedom of speech and the ability to seek redress when they are wronged and pass their knowledge onto others.

eBay are becoming greedier by the day and soon people will only be able to pay for goods via PayPal, they've already brought that little gem in in other countries.
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eBay used to be once upon a time fun to use, but it has outgrown its socks, and because it knows it is the market leader on online auctions does what it wants, when it wants. I remember the days when it first started, and then it was how you'd expect an auction to be. Gone are those days.

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Some use Ebay as a way of getting out of there responsibility to deal with customers that High Street stores need to deal with.
eBay sellers have a responsibility to their buyers too, most honour it, the bad few don't, wasn't that the whole point of the feedback system in the first place though?? To warn others about the bad few?? Shame it's one-sided now............ I have never had a dissatisfied customer on eBay, after four years my f/b score was 100%.......that is until the new policy, it's absurd!
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eBay used to be once upon a time fun to use, but it has outgrown its socks, and because it knows it is the market leader on online auctions does what it wants, when it wants. I remember the days when it first started, and then it was how you'd expect an auction to be. Gone are those days.

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Absolutely agree. The whole attraction to me was a good bargain, which an auction can produce, but it's not now.

If you browse through the sales there can be things like £100 holiday vouchers selling for £99! What's that all about? Saving a quid!

And be careful now too. I saw a brand new Remington shaver, RRP £49.99, being sold on ebay for £24.99 + £5 p+p.

Yet a quick google of the same model showed tesco selling it for £13.99 + £4.80 delivery!

It's just idiots making a quick buck now.
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