Campaign against the CSA

[Tigstheterror]

Hi folks i hope i am able to post this here? if not please feel free to either move or remove!!!!! ( i think i'll be ok!! lol )
My fiance' has worked hard on a website he has set up,,,almost finished,,concerning the dreaded CSA and the way it treats NRP'S and NRPP'S ( non resident parents and their families) Please take a look and see if you would like to join or give some, if any, in put, many thanks
HUgs Tigs x
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[tiglet]

Sorry, but as an ex-wife who was left with all of the debts (in my name) had to get a monstrous mortgage in order to buy ex-husband out of house and now gets £93 a month (begrudged) from ex-husband (who is a plumber with no other children, but is "self-employed" and therefore deducts a lot of expenses) I don't feel like I want to support this new site. I happen to know many more mothers are left behind with the debts, the kids and sweet FA in terms of child-support and I can honestly say the CSA is no more fair to those of us on the other side.

Tigs the Mum of a special needs child who's ex won't even pay half of the private tuition he needs and hasn't had a proper holiday since she split up with her ex.

[Tigstheterror]

Tiglet, as ever we understand that it goes on with the PWC also, but sorry we are not in that ball park, we are purely the NRP and new family being driven into poverty by this government run agency. We are fully aware that people have the right to choose wether to make a stance with us or not, it's their choice and also their democratic right, we aren't holding a gun to anyone's heads here. I have to say though that what many PWC don't understand is that those of the NRP's who ARE paying, as and when they should, are being stung by those who don't and won't!!!!! So sorry but we as NRP'S and NRPP'S don't deem this as fair. We know we aren't going to appease everybody and this is quite understandable but as was put in my original posting, it is for the NRP'S and NRPP'S ,,,,, we do NOT advocate NOT paying child support,on the contrary, what we do want to see stop is the raping of the NRP'S wages to fund the ones who DON'T pay. If people look at the website it becomes clear what it is all about, especially the amount of deaths at the hands of these people,,ALL, dads who were driven to suicide FACT,and the government turn a very blind eye to it all. We will not apologise for setting this site up, as we have already discovered, it is much needed. We aim to try and help people and give advice or even just to lend an ear to bend,instead of having yet another suicide. We are there for the ones who DO pay yet don't see their kids and get forced to sell their home, car,etc and some even end up living on the streets.
Not all PWC are going to be happy about it but we stand by what we want to try and change and hopefully achieve a world where you can work, pay for your kids and have a normal life and for ALL to be happy, whether this can be achieved under the government is another matter but it won't be for the want of not trying. I wish you health and happiness and i hope your situation gets better for you.My own personal circumstances would have you slightly gobsmacked but that is not for me to divulge, i don't see it as relevant.
Take care
Tigs x

[tiglet]

Wouldn't it get more people on side, however, if the site looked at how unfair the CSA is from both points of view?

While I understand they are unfair to both sides at times, you will always alienate people with the type of language describing ex-wives - it will put people's backs ups.

I'm sure you would find much more support if you described the poverty, despair and depression the CSA can engender on both sides.

I really do know too many Mum's who either get nothing or very little for their children and struggle, finding themselves in debt and depressed while the ex-husband goes off to his fantastic new life. Being the parent with care is not all fun and games - it's bloody hard work for no thanks.

ps Ex-husband who can only afford £93 per month is off to Greece for a fortnight next week - and I had to find the cash to pay for son's passport so that he could actually go on holiday. I can't imagine if I phone the CSA they would start hounding him, would they?

[Tigstheterror]

Tiglet my Fiance stands by his morals and he decided to fight for the NRP and NRPP becuase if you look at his site it shows how many fathers have committed suicide because the CSA have left them with nothing to live on. The PWC however gets child tax credits if they are on benefits and if the PWC is working they get working tax credits, what does the NRP get when he has nothing left out of his wages, (NOTHING AT ALL).
As I have said before while we understand how it affects some PWC, we are in the position of the NRP and NRPP and the CSA do not leave us with enought to pay our mortgage and the CSA stance is "well you should not have moved on with your life and you should not have met a new partner and how dare you even think about starting a new family"

He took the decision to not include the PWC as such so that is that

[tiglet]

I wonder if he's researched how many PWC have committed suicide - or have thought about it, but decided against it on behalf of the children.

We're clearly going to have to agree to disagree, but it's a shame because I really would have supported a site which highlighted the arbitrary nature of the CSA - in some cases the father loses out, in some cases the mother.

Perhaps a little hypocritical to discuss "sexist" media and MP's while ignoring the suffering on the other side of the fence?

Tigs xxx

[vinegarvera]

Dont get me started........
Ex partner, self employed, 4 bed house in upmarket area, 3 properties abroad, 2 cars, 2 young children in designer clothes, told csa earning 100.00 per week, ordered to pay 5.00 per week does not even pay that........

CSA say I need to prove he is earning more than 100 per week BUT they wont take photos, or even his own family's word as proof. How the hell am I supposed to prove it?

they say it costs 98 pounds per week to keep my son, he is ordered to pay 5.00- the remainder is left for me to pay. I AM on minimum wage but that is not taken into account at all. Plus, I have to organise childcare so that I can work. If there is a shortfall it is the parent with care who HAS to find the money!!! Plus they cannot comit suicide because they have a child to care for!!

[tiglet]

Private detective may be the way forward - however, if he is anything like my ex, he will claim he's self-employed and write off most as legitimate work expenses.

Hmm - in the last six years, I've managed to take my child on three holidays - all but one in this country and all paid for by relatives. he's had six holidays abroad in the same time, has a car, three bedroom house, always in new clothes etc, etc, etc.

AND he has had the cheek to ask me for a breakdown of what i spend so that he knows the £93 is going on my son (when I get it). i believe "go forth and multiply" was my response.

[vinegarvera]

Oh yes the WFTC (yes he is claiming benefits as well) have looked into it but apparantly he has upped his mortgage on his buisness several times- taken on invisible staff- you know the deal!! He is a barber so everything is cash in hand. one for the books - five for me!!
They wont take any hearsay- His own mother is disgusted and has phoned them also to tell them but they wont listen-- same old "tax returns and bank statements"- And everything in his wifes name!!!

[tiglet]

Sounds rather familiar - did you end up in debt because of him too?

[vinegarvera]

Originally Posted by tiglet

Sounds rather familiar - did you end up in debt because of him too?

No thank goodness- found out he was cheating whilst I was pregnant and dumped him there and then- Tough at the time but glad to have done so before we married and got a mortgage!!
Although I some ways I could not continue with my career as I was a single mum and am in debt now through having to juggle jobs and childcare so indirectly yes!

However I would not swap my way of life for his (or his wife who never knows where he is) anyday!!

Plus the compliments I get about what a lovely child I have are to MY credit not his!

[tiglet]

There is always a positive - and usually it is with the child.

[Tigstheterror]

Unfortunately we have tried in vain to get ANY figures on whether,if any, PWC have committed or attempted suicide, all that keeps being returned is facts and figures on fathers, even figures and facts for abroad.
We have however obtained results on the CSA interviewing various clients as to what they thought of them and the way the system is run, so far (99 pages) it makes interesting reading.
We know as previously stated , that PWC have issues with these people too,they affect both PWC and NRP's but we do not ,nor will we ever ,condone any NRP that chooses to shirk their half of the responsibility. Our sympathy goes out to both sides but his stance is to fight for one.
Hugs Tigs x