Fuel Protest

[Sneaker]

Originally Posted by gazebo

How about a campaign where a member of the public sends a protest note to the Government and/ or their MP every time they fill up? The idea is to design a simple A4 flyer that sets out the reasons why it's ridiculous that the Government thinks it can make us 58% fuel duty and VAT. The individual puts the flyer in an envelope and sends it off to Gordon Brown and/ or their MP. Imagine being an MP and receiving several hundred or thousands of these flyers every week.

I like it.

[Sneaker]

For petrol the tax is currently 50.35p per litre fuel duty(due to go up 2p/litre 1.10.200 plus 16.52p VAT making 66.87p per litre in total, or 60.3% of the 110.9p total price.
For diesel it's higher. 50.35p per litre fuel duty(again to go up 2p/litre 1.10.200 plus 18p VAT making 68.35p per litre in total. From the latest SMMT April registration figures diesel fuelled vehicles now make up approaching 50% of all vehicles.

[Sparklez30]

Originally Posted by gazebo

How about a campaign where a member of the public sends a protest note to the Government and/ or their MP every time they fill up? The idea is to design a simple A4 flyer that sets out the reasons why it's ridiculous that the Government thinks it can make us 58% fuel duty and VAT. The individual puts the flyer in an envelope and sends it off to Gordon Brown and/ or their MP. Imagine being an MP and receiving several hundred or thousands of these flyers every week.

I like it too. If the flier was sent to one MP and this information provided on the flier I think there is more chance people would complete it and send it off. I think there are alot unhappy with fuel prices these days which increases the chances of people completing a set form and posting it off!

[TaxedAndConfused]

Originally Posted by SklyaFett

mmmmmmmmmm............... ....................... do nothing and pay more............. nice. But if we protest and prices go down we are all better off.

Except all the people who suddenly find the things they rely on being cut - fuel duty pays for loads of things - it won't just be MPs losing the icing of their cream buns. You still haven't said where the money for that should come from.

As someone who is being shafted I refuse to be shafted some more so that people can drive Skylines for less cash.

Originally Posted by SklyaFett

Car enthusiast i think not. Lazy middle aged man who has got so used to being shafted that hes does not notice when it gets worse. And this goes for most of the UK public.

I would agree with the last point. As for the first part are you saying I'm fat , how very dare you. I have an economical daily car and a thirsty sports car being welded. Have you see the price of leccy for welding these days ? Its no joke.

Originally Posted by SklyaFett

Sit by and do nothing and prices go up and up. Say something or do something and we have a chance of it not going up so much. Its make me laugh when i listen to people who will do nothing.

I kind of laugh at people who just come up with a single issue without thinking of its implications. Simply shouting a lot or causing a lot of people difficulties in their lives - for example people paid by the hour not getting to work is quite serious really.

And it is only going to lose you support like it did last time.

We can make an immediate difference. Fuel duty is due to go up again later this year but at the moment the government is earning a ton of extra money on high oil prices. I think one should pay for the other. Lets start a serious campaign to do that.

That is a reasonably argued point which would gain national support immediately. Blair got out of the original protest by making the same points as me.

And yes I do feel quite uncomfortable being on the same side of the argument as that *$%T.

[fergal71]

HI maybe try this site this is direct link to your local MP and They do reply. If people feel MP's are the wway then try this.... lets try all avenues...

I am starting to feel like we are becoming a scene from the life of Brian, apart from sanitation what have the romans ever done for us.... the JPF talked a great deal about rebellion but didnt really achieve much. If anyone is a fan they will know what I am talking about.

I would just like to say I think CAG has achieved quite a lot for a great number of people although I also feel that with co-ordination it could achieve so much more. I would be happy to donate say £1-£10 times by 170,000 could be used for people to make this site more effective or pay some solicitors fees etc... the only thing this government will listen to is the masses... the police and the army are is P***ed off as we are and as long as we have a strong argument for what we do I can not see any of us being shot... probably more chance of being shot in any high street in most cities....

[fergal71]

sorry forgot to add link in previous post

WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free


Maybe copy and send this to all your friends

We are hitting £111.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £1.20 a ltr.



This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso

If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send i t to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300).... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... .

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso

[5layer]

Hi,

When is this going to be official??

I would like to get started as soon as possible.

Thanks

[kennythecelt]

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Fuel bills are 'burden' on firms

A motion this Wednesday in the Scottish Parliament:


"That the parliament notes that the price of diesel is now over £1.30 in the Western Isles and across Scotland's island and remote communities, making it probably the most expensive diesel in the western world; further notes that fuel costs now represent an ever increasing burden in the Western and Northern Isles, not least for businesses and fishermen, some of whom report 80% increases in diesel costs in the last two years; notes that the main company delivering fuel to the islands deposits fuel at differing costs at different ports on the west coast despite the fact that the same vessel is used; notes the irony of an oil-producing nation putting its motorists, businesses, fishermen and rural businesses in this impossible position, and finally notes the various measures that exist in parts of France, which make cuts in fuel duty in the remotest areas."

(The Scottish Parliament does not have powers in this area, that rests with Westminster.)

BBC NEWS | UK | Brown to meet oil industry chiefs

Brown to meet oil industry chiefs

BBC NEWS | Business | Shell rejects windfall tax calls

Oil giant Shell has rejected calls for a windfall tax on oil companies' record profits

BBC NEWS | Politics | Speculation over road tax rethink

BBC NEWS | UK | Poorer drivers 'hit hard' by tax

Speculation over road tax rethink.


(Interestingly, more CO2 is emitted during the manufacture of a car than that car emitts from the petrol used during its lifetime use of petrol/ diesel. This suggests that there is sense, from a green point of view, not to condemn older cars to the scrap heap, but to keep them on the roads, properly serviced! )

[dave]

Originally Posted by kennythecelt

(Interestingly, more CO2 is emitted during the manufacture of a car than that car emitts from the petrol used during its lifetime use of petrol/ diesel. This suggests that there is sense, from a green point of view, not to condemn older cars to the scrap heap, but to keep them on the roads, properly serviced! )

More oil and in particular, more fresh water is used in the production of a car than CO2 emitted during it's lifetime.

There are people in the world who are dying through lack of access to fresh water.

How is it then, that as they suggest, "oil is running out" (I personally think this is yet more lies and spin) and we are at 'peak oil', that water is still 'cheap'?

There's more oil than fresh water.

[Gertie100]

Kenny - can you advise where you got the gem of information from about the C02 emissions during the manufacture and lifetime of cars from? I've just mentioned this somewhere else and been completely shouted down...that will teach me won't it!

[kennythecelt]

Originally Posted by Gertie100

Kenny - can you advise where you got the gem of information from about the C02 emissions during the manufacture and lifetime of cars from? I've just mentioned this somewhere else and been completely shouted down...that will teach me won't it!

Oh, now you're asking Gertie! It stuck in my mind at the time I read it and I have not made it up. Pretty sure it was something to do with the Energy Savings Trust or similar organisation.

I will do some searching around and give you the links so you can sort em out!!

Note that some Scandanavian countries encourage the retention and proper servicing of older cars by hefty taxes on new cars because of this very point, ie keep the older cars on the road as long as possible because of all the "energy" that went into their total manufacture. The recycling of the various components at a scrap heat does not begin to compensate for their demise.

Take care and regards, Kenny

[stockport6]

It is not just the goverment. Like mortgage interest rates. If the Bank of England puts up the rate the banks sting you for it in a matter of minutes. If the rate goes down they wait weeks before they pass the savings onto you.

The same happens with diesel. On May 23 - the day after oil hit a record $135 a barrel - diesel was selling at $1,342 a ton, but yesterday the price had dropped to $1,203.

On May 23 the average cost of a litre of diesel was 126.7p per litre. Yesterday it stood at 129.9p.

Now the oil companies often argue that they cannot drop the price because the petrol at the pumps was bought weeks ago when the price was high put as you saw the price went up minutes after the price of a barrel went up. That means they were charging more for petrol they bought weeks ago at a lower price.

Why do we stand for it. I know a petition makes you feel like your doing something but really they couldn't care less. Perhaps its time to make everyone vote with their feet.
The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one),
ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

[JOSH_IOU]

What dose evryone think about the 4 day strike over pay?

Tanker drivers' strike third day | The Sun |HomePage|News|Sun Money

Here is the sun article that was passed to me.
First time ive admited to reading this paper.

[skbuncks]

I think they're bloody cheeky bast**ds. They get paid a basic wage of £32000 for what is a relatively unskilled job ie driving and hooking the tanker up to fill and unfill. Who knows how much this is increased to when you add on overtime etc.
As a comparison I am in a highly skilled profession (Research Chemist in Pharms industry) and they earn a damn site more than I do. I dream of the day we get offered a 13 % pay rise, 3 % would be nice. I suppose they are quite fortunate in that when they go on strike the whole nation takes notices, if they were shelf stackers in tescos no one would give a damn.

skb

[Sneaker]

Strike or no strike, there is too much tax on fuel.

I say we pick a day, and on that day everyone posts the shirt from their back to Gordon Brown. Write on the shirt an agreed standard comment about the tax on fuel. That should send the message.

And if you don't want to send your own shirt, buy one from a charity shop and help a good cause at the same time.

Just a thought.