The Great Global Warming Scam

[lickthewallfatboy]

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ | NewsBusters.org

"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment. ........"

[hagenuk]

You can sum up the scam in one word.



Tax.

[lickthewallfatboy]

precisely!!

ust watch BBC breakfast- every day without fail we are being brainwashed by the media to believe this nonsense

[MilkTrayMan]

Have NEVER subscribed to the wholesale condemnation of Human Industrialisation = Global Warming myself...

History of the Earth has shown that it has naturally fluctuated from time to time + survived!...

[dave]

I've always thought it was a scam - a tool of governments. In fact, I was posting about this very thing about a week ago in a different forum.

Tax is right. Demonise people who supposedly pollute the environment (smokers, 4x4 drivers, people who can't get 2 weeks recycling into the stupidly small black box, pretty much anyone really), and you have a licence to print money.

I notice the US is slowly catching on to this too recently - I wonder if Bliar had a word in George's shell like and told him what a lovely money spinner it all is?

[GuidoT]

I too am sceptical about the link between global warming and the related impact of human intervention on the same.

As MTM said the earth is always going through natural climate change cycles and we may well be going through one of those.

The media have a lot to answer for, remember the Millennium Bug that the media were so fond of reporting on, that turned out to be little more than a damp squib.

[dave]

To be fair, the millennium 'bug' (it was hardly a bug, it was largely by design) DID exist.

I spent at least 2 years on a team of 40 programmers sorting some of that out for a large London firm (paid very nicely too).

I think it's testament to people like us (and the many, thousands of others) that you think the way you do.

Honestly, it's quite nice that it went by without so much as a whimper - it certainly wouldn't have done so if it were not for the millions of man-hours put in by programmers the world over.

There were a few missed though - the French lost a satellite, and one bank in Mexico reported their cashpoints stopped working to name just a couple.

[huggles]

I suppose you think evolution is a massive conspiracy against christianity too, do you?

It does amuse me when people ignore consensus amongst the scientific community who have a great deal more expertise than them because they do not want to have to adjust their lifestyles at all.

[lickthewallfatboy]

there is no such consensus-many many scientists are casting doubt on this "research" as being flawed

have a look around and don't automatically accept the drivel people like Al Gore feed the masses

this is after all the man who insisted potato was actually spelt "potatoe" amongst many other things.....the "inconvenient truth" is Al Gore is a total idiot....he also claims to have "invented" the internet!! --

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999


other examples of the "wisdom" of Mr Gore-

""When my sister and I were growing up," Mr. Gore told a small audience made up mostly of women, "there was never any doubt in our minds that men and women were equal, if not more so."

On July 16, 2000 during a "Meet the Press" interview, Gore was asked if he would be in favour of postponing the execution of a pregnant woman. His hesitant response was "I'd have to think about it".


"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992.

[Bookworm]

And many, many more accept that there is a strong possibility that it is happening.

I actually got interested in climate change a long, long time ago, long before the media or Al Gore jumped on that particular bandwagon, at a time when the likes of Greenpeace were trying to raise some awareness and were by and large being gagged by the media. It highly amuses me to see the turnaround happening now, I have to say.

Yes, the Earth goes through various cycles of glaciation and heating up. Yes, within those long cycles, there are mini-cycles also happening. So maybe, just maybe, human influence has no effect whatsoever... Then again, analysis of ice "carrots" shows that natural events like say, a big volcanic eruption, left their mark in the amount of acid rain, carbon dioxide and other chemical markers (which then allows to see how it influenced things like vegetation and animal life, etc...), so I personally would doubt that 100 years+ of industrial revolution would make no difference. The permutations known as fossil fuel and atomic bomb effects are actually used in techniques like carbon 14 to date items in the last century, because of the increase and decrease in atmospheric radiocarbon. I won't bore you with the details.

Let's put the above aside for one moment and decide that the evidence is not sufficient.

Question is, can we take the risk of being proven wrong and that we did have a detrimental effect, we could have prevented that and did nothing, and realised too late to reverse or stabilise the trend? Personally, I think that when it comes to the life of our planet, I'd rather err on the side of safety.

As for the "tax" conspiracy theory, pur-lease. Governments have had to pass anti-pollution laws which have cost some of their biggest contributors/pals/lobbyists billions. Do you really think that taxing 4x4 more would even make a dent in that by comparison? Why do you think the US refused to sign the Kyoto agreement?

There's apologists everywhere. Some would have us believe that the Holocaust never happened. Some would have us carry on as we are and tell us that we don't need to do a thing, as whatever is happening -if anything- is beyond our control. Hmmm, maybe, maybe not... I'll ask again: Can we afford to be wrong?

[huggles]

Originally Posted by lickthewallfatboy

there is no such consensus-many many scientists are casting doubt on this "research" as being flawed

have a look around and don't automatically accept the drivel people like Al Gore feed the masses

this is after all the man who insisted potato was actually spelt "potatoe" amongst many other things.....the "inconvenient truth" is Al Gore is a total idiot....he also claims to have "invented" the internet!! --

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999


other examples of the "wisdom" of Mr Gore-

""When my sister and I were growing up," Mr. Gore told a small audience made up mostly of women, "there was never any doubt in our minds that men and women were equal, if not more so."

On July 16, 2000 during a "Meet the Press" interview, Gore was asked if he would be in favour of postponing the execution of a pregnant woman. His hesitant response was "I'd have to think about it".


"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992.

what does al gore's spelling or these quotes have to do with the science behind climate change? al gore is not a scientist and does not claim to be, he is merely a high profile figure who is using his status to promote this view point (which seems in the main to align with that of the scientific community - can't be sure, I can't say that I've watched his film in full).
In any case, there are many many more such examples which can be attributed to george bush who sits more on the other side of the fence, does that prove anything about the arguments on the other side? No.

I work in the energy industry where there would be a number of vested interests in discrediting the science of climate change if there were big gaps and they obviously also have the expertise and money to do it However, all I see are private compnaies investing significant amounts of their own resources in the technogies that will be needed in the future - this is purely anecdotal of course but it is a lot of money!
As far as I can tell, the only creditable group of experts who maintain some objections to the human contribution to climate change are the american association of petroleum geologists and they do not deny the link altogether. Perhaps you are aware of more?

Climate science and modelling is is necessarily subject to guess work (hence the need for modelling). I think bookworm's position up there is very strong and logical one and the prudent position to take, regardless of your personal feelings. Action and mild discomfort now could save such severe pain later that even if you aren't sure it will happen it's worth trying to avoid that. To me it is also highly desirable with the rapid growth in the chinese economy for rich countries like us to lead by example and show them that they can live within the resources we have here on earth in a sustainable way and also not suffer economically. And I think that the consensus amongst experts that we should be acting quickly now to prevent is stronger than consensus on human causes of climate change.

I'm not claiming to be an expert either, correct me if you like. And by all means tell me your opinion - but don't just give me your opinion as if it is a fact!

[lickthewallfatboy]

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe - USATODAY.com

the myth of US petroleum backed scientists are the only ones against global warming propaganda shattered here-

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

climate change on Mars-aliens must scrap their 4x4's
Climate change hits Mars - Times Online

[Bookworm]

Since you seem to think that Gore is the start all and end all of the global warming "scam", maybe you want to apply the same scrutiny to the character of the chap leading the "scam" claims, as described in the 2nd article quoted in your post:
Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To describe him as a "UK climate researcher" or a scientist of any kind is more than a bit of a stretch... as for his affiliation with Exxon-Mobil, no mention of it in the article, strangely as he would appear to be very much one of those working with or for one of the biggest petroleum companies in the world.

Gore's authenticity... well, that he is a politician who jumped on the latest bandwagon, I have no doubt about. It doesn't mean that the bandwagon he jumped on is not a valid one.

[lickthewallfatboy]

it's the almost religious devotion to "man made climate change" that gets on my wick-the refusal to accept the possibility that it's part of the natural climate change cycle

all the climate change campaigners going to their big climate fest in Bali produced as much carbon getting there than 20,000 cars produce in one year,yet joe public is expected to buy e products and change they way we live,while the campaigners travel the world in style.....sounds very fishy