Streamline.net taking money from my account

[ZipDee]

Darkbolt,

thanks for that takeover date of 30th May 2008!

I'm just checking with the latest victim who has contacted me re streamline.net.

If the date of hit is after 30th May it would mean nothing has changed since fasthosts.co.uk has taken over.

With 'Hosting expert' having put his size 12 in it about Andrew Dollamore's non-involvement for a year, the different and dangerous ballgame for both streamline.net and fasthosts.co.uk might well have been entered into already!

[ZipDee]

Darkbolt ,

I now have documentary evidence that Andrew Dollamore was dealing with streamline.net customers even a few days ago, 30th September.

What can this mean for complainants of streamline.net's tactics and strategy?

Just keep writing to Derbyshire Trading Standards of course for, as several police forces have had cause to tell me, it is the police force and forces of law and order in general in the area of where an offence is committed that have jurisdiction.

[ZipDee]

Hosting Expert,

I now havedocumentary evidence that Andrew Dollamore was dealing with streamline.net customers even a few days ago, 30th September.

What can this mean for complainants of streamline.net's tactics and strategy?

Just keep writing to Derbyshire Trading Standards of course for, as several police forces have had cause to tell me, it is the police force and forces of law and order in general in the area where an offence has been committed that have jurisdiction

[streamlinewebhosting.co.u]

ZipDee,

I need to contact you! How can I do it outside this forum?

Streamlinelinewebhosting. (protest Site)

[ZipDee]

Whosomever,

please contact me at zippettydooodahh@aol.com that is 2ps 2ts 3os 2hs

[ZipDee]

Whosomever,
review centre forum refused to publish the indictment of streamline.net/ Andrew Dollamore/Dollamore Ltd', whereas many of the other forums in which you can find at least a one year history of reviews and that you can find by googling 'Andrew Dollamore, legal' 'streamline.net, legal' or 'Dollamore Ltd', did publish.

I tried to get this cutpurse put away because he does in fact display behaviour that any right minded individual would change given that the behaviour distresses people. But he has not changed his cunning behaviour since at least 2002, when at least one person I know of did not get his money back, and , even though at a desk still, even though he hides behind the sale of streamline.net to fasthosts.co.uk to distance himself, the deceptive behaviour still goes on!!!

If you or anyone have lost out to this man's conniving and cunning, know this - the Theft (Amendment) Act 1996 makes it an imprisoning offence of up to 10 years for obtaining a bank credit by deception.

If you have not read, given the red hot haze of anger that I well know of, my previous articles concerning this twit, please scroll upwards and pick page 1 of the 3 available to start with.

[ZipDee]

Streamline.net , fasthosts.co.uk and Ralph Dummermuth of United Internet AG

I had my bank account wrongfully debited by a webhosting company, streamline.net, that refused to cancel a three-month trial period then sneakily took a one-year premium hosting package cost from my account - I tried to indict for contravention of the Theft Act, but the Chief Constable of the area of the offence passed it to a subordinate who in turn passed it on to the Derbyshire Trading Standards Office and my money was bounced back into my account - it is illegal, a criminal offence punishable by up to 10 years in prison to wrongfully or deceitfully debit an account (and using steamroller pressure can be termed a form of deceit if use of the law is unfounded and becomes forcefully intimidatory) it is also illegal to use the law in pursuance of an offence, and the law comes down on this like a ton of bricks.

I now know that streamline.net were sellers-on of the talents of fasthosts.co.uk who bought streamline.net's customer base last May/June. I now know that fasthosts.co.uk sold out to United Internet AG for 90 million euros (£61mill) in 1999, or more to the point, sold out to Ralph Dummermuth, the German internet billionare who founded '1 und1' and who is the main shareholder of the owning company United Internet Ag.

Today I sent emails to the board members of fasthosts.co.uk Andrew MichaelCEO Michael Hogan Finance Director Mark Cowne Sales & Marketing Director Steve Holford and Press, Billing, and Support informing them of my intention to apply for their indictment, and the indictment of the actual instigators, for theft if they do not return money continually taken from my bank after I had cancelled my Distance Selling contract with them due to their poor support. Google the Distance Selling statute and you will see just how the steamroller these companies use is a cover, a camouflage for their ignoring the demands made on them by the statute and just how they have drifted into dangerous ground given the Theft Act - google this as well!

I also sent a copy of the email to rdummermuth@united-internet.de nlang@united-internet.de kdobitsch@united-internet.de mscheeren@united-internet.de mschap@united-internet.de (the board) info@united-internet.de presse@united-internet.de investor-relations@united-internet.de hostmaster@united-internet.de .

The greater the number of the more detailed type of emails the board and their minions receive from disgruntled customers that suffer because of the 'robust' methods for making a billion or two they seem to have exported into the UK the US and not forgetting the poor sods in Germany who my research tells me have had it harder for a lot longer, the more Herr Dummermuth might come to realise the role that good old honest customer relations might play in him keeping a euro or two.

What say you?

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[Bridge Coach]

And here's me thinking that I was the only one to be caught - I told Streamline that I did not wish to continue my hosted website but that I should like to take advantage of their "Parking" service. However, I found that my card has been debited with the Parking fee (£9.99) and the two-year hosting fee (about £80) then finally with an unnamed fee of £5.
I have requested a refund from my credit card supplier (Nationwide) but have heard nothing yet.
I also shall write to Derek Rudforth to see if he can help.

[ZipDee]

Bridge Coach,
You are the first streamline.net victim to contact me since 'Hosting Expert' tried to tell the world that Andrew Dollamore was no longer to blame for any rip offs at streamline.net since the customer base was sold to fasthosts.com and thereby making fasthosts.co.uk and thereby United Internet AG and thereby Wunderkind internet billionaire Ralph Dommermuth responsible.

I cannot wait to hear of the response/s you now get from streamline .net regarding your particular rip off - you will see above that it is illegal according to The Theft Act and punishable by imprisonment to wrongfully or deceitfully take money from a bank account.

Why don't you keep the three links in this chain of responsibilty fully informed at all times of every word that is generated by their behaviour? The 16 email addresses above should really all be informed. And by everyone who falls foul of the wrongdoing.

[silverspring]

I would appreciate help too. What I thought was going to be a charge for the renewal of a domain name turned out to be a debit to my banking account on for hosting fees (top of the range package) of £78 odd and £23 for the domain name !

When I contact Streamline they refused pointblank to refund.

From the word go I have had problems with all aspects of their service and eventually to save myself from a straight jacket I moved away thinking that the hosting would die a natural death !

Not to be ! - even though last years hosting (which they wouldnt refund either) only expires on the 27th March they are not flexible in any way, even though I have pointed out to them that I have a letter dated 31 March 2008 on file where I set out a list of complaints and request that if they cant fix them then to cancel - that, I thought was the end, because I moved on to new hosts.

In their most recent ticket they tell me to lodge a complaint with an address in Gloucester but in their legal jargon the complaints address is in Derbyshire.

Any help in recovering what they've thieved, would be appreciated.

[Bridge Coach]

After several months of pushing my credit card company, they eventually refunded the larger of the two amounts that I had been overcharged - I decided to write off the much smaller amount (about £7) to experience.

My advice to you is if you paid by credit card, recover it from the credit card company - it was, after all, a fraudulent transaction.

[silverspring]

When I initially signed up for the trial period they wanted my bank details - from that time on, although I have tried to delete them or replace them for ficticious ones I have been unable to do so.

[ZipDee]

One Way To Get Your Money Back From An Obdurate Fasthosts.co.uk

Or how a German billionaire's diktat succeeds in cheapening the laws of England &Wales and himself.

A letter that forced the return of money wrongfully taken from my account and the deserved follow-up letter after return of my money, and submitted in the hope that it may help sufferers of a similar fate.
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For - Mr Andrew Michael, CEO Fasthosts.co.uk und Herr Ralph Dommermuth, CEO United Internet AG, and all officers of the linked companies : under UK law ‘where an offence occurs, all businesses are counted as one’

Sirs,

I received a ‘phone call Friday 14/11/2008 on your behalf Mr Andrew Michael, seeking ‘communication’ with me. I have to assume this meant ‘communication’ regarding my attempts to claw back money wrongfully and continually taken, even after warnings not to, from my bank account after I cancelled my ‘Distance Selling’ contract with the company you run due to unacceptably poor support. But I have made myself perfectly clear on this subject continually : I do not ‘communicate’, deal in any way or form whatsoever, with thieves - as Mr Andrew Dollamore of streamline.net will attest. So I informed the caller that I had no interest in communicating, asked for money wrongfully taken to be put back into my bank account, and I put the ‘phone down.

I have found that dealing with such people is simply a way for them to propagandise their rationale for thievery, no matter how feeble or unlawful. A perfect example of this was communicated to me by one of the four people from around Europe currently in contact with me (there have been many) regarding money taken wrongfully from their accounts by both streamline.net and fasthosts.co.uk – one person has been told that the communications regarding the cancellation that should have stopped the money being taken from his account was not made by him to the correct department nor in the correct manner (the person does not agree with this assessment, but how do you make progress against the obdurate?) But Distance Selling legislation is clear and distinct on this matter : the onus lies with the company to internally communicate the customer’s cancellation – even to the extreme of the customer simply ‘communicating’ to the company’s last known address (and being able to prove this -emails do this rather well) the onus still lies with the company to institute the customer’s cancellation.

So what can be made of such an excuse, such a perverse and unlawful rationale for taking money from a customer’s bank account without neither the customer’s knowledge, nor permission, nor expectation? The obduracy with which the position is held, namely ‘we have your money and you are not getting it back’, speaks volumes. And it is absolutely pointless to engage in any ‘communication’ where such obduracy is displayed.

But in my case you have gone even further than law ignoring obduracy!

You have ignored the Distance Selling legislation, you have ignored The Theft Act, and not only have you taken money from my account, but you have continued taking my money even after I had pointed out and several times that you were in fact contravening the law, and, even further, on the last occasion, and when my bank refused you payment, you used subterfuge to extract the payment.

I expect the money wrongfully taken from my account to be repaid into my bank account within the week or I will indeed proceed with seeking indictment of all company officers of ‘all the businesses that are one business’.
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Dear Sir,

Fasthosts.co.uk’s return, under threat of indictment for contravention of The Theft Act of money wrongfully taken from my bank account, after their repeated contraventions were adumbrated to the board members of fasthosts.co.uk (buyer of streamline.net, incorporated in 2002 at the same address) and owner Ralph Dommermuth’s United Internet AG, Germany.

Thank you for your email informing me that all the money wrongfully taken from my account has been returned.

But you seem to have detached yourself somewhat from reality in your email : you state that you are returning all payments taken from my bank account as an act of goodwill, and by saying I had not complied with the conditions of the contract that existed between us you imply that you had no need to return my money, thereby conveniently ignoring the fact that had I not bombarded the 16 email addresses of United Internet AG and fasthosts.co.uk, I would A] still be without my money and G] you would still be trying to wrongfully take money from my bank account – ‘where there is an offence, all connected businesses are to be regarded as one’ The Theft Act

You act continually on the basis that fasthosts.co.uk contracts have an unquestionably inviolable validity – a diktat from above, without doubt. And this is patently nonsense! Because according to the related law of England & Wales, a non-compliance with Distance Selling law invalidates a contract ‘it is as though no contract had existed’ (I have mentioned you should check out ‘best practice’ and by, for example, buying something from ‘distance sellers’ Marks & Spencers.) As does a customer’s cancellation negate contract where services are ‘not fit for purpose’ – a door-to-door non-distance selling salesman would get a boot up the backside as he was shown the gate if he tried some of the stunts me and your customers complain about. So it is patently obvious that this nonsense is the product of diktat from above in its reflection of your constant need to continually ignore the related laws of England & Wales in the enforcement as inviolable of contracts the law can render non-inviolable contracts, and that can be seen reflected in fasthosts.co.uk’s wealth of irate customers. But it is by the laws of England & Wales that fasthosts.co.uk is governed and to which fasthosts.co.uk and its connected companies will be answerable.

Herr Ralph Dommermuth may indeed have 7.3 million contracts to wave about proudly as the basis for a 2007, 1.372 billion euro turnover, and his billionaire worth. But if the standard of the fasthosts.co.uk diktat contract is a reflection of the standard of a Herr Dommermuth diktat contract, then he’s not worth a toss!

Sincerely

	Are you letting your bank keep your money Are you giving away thousands of pounds?? Many people aren't claiming all of the money they are entitled to when they make their bank charges claims. You have been forced to pay unfair bank charges. Have you forgotten that your bank has charged you inteest on those charges? If you are overdrawn and the bank owes you charges - then your overdraft is made up of charges - money which you bank owes you. Yet you are paying interest to the bank - on your own money!!! Follow this link to see the discussions on this. You might even double th size of your claim.

[gressfjell]

QUOTE "Mr Dollamore gets his jollies on continually referring people to his terms and conditions, so it is pointless arguing with him, he will just go on interminably"



Absolutely love the way you've put that!!!! RFLMAO!!!!!

I'm having troubles too - he's trying to con £126 out of me. Luckily my card declined because frankly I'm not rich enough to have that amount of money just sitting round in my account at the moment - it gets spent on things!!
So have just emailed Derbyshire Trading Standards with all the gory details in the hope that they'll help.
Feels comforting to know I'm not the only one.
Gress' xxx

[silverspring]

To date Streamline have still not had the courtesy of even acknowledging my letters sent to them by recorded delivery/signature required delivery ! Neither have they replied to my emails.

So I contacted my bankers and provided them with all the correspondence; my card was cancelled and re-issued and the funds re-credited my account.

I do hope that these people, including Mr. Dollamore, get investigated - they shouldnt be allowed to continue obtaining money fraudlently.

[ZipDee]

It seems streamline.net's old customer list is being trawled in the attempt to frighten people into paying for hosting accounts that should never have been allowed to have been cancelled by the customer, and according to a contract which can never run out according to the heavies trying to get money out of the people they contact - I have had 2 people contact contact me inthe last week or so with exactly this problem. So who is doing this, fasthosts, the owner, or Herr Dommermuth (founder of 1 und1) of United Internet AG that actually bought fasthosts? This very 'heavy loan-shark' tactic ignores the Distance Selling statute that gives the lie to Herr Dommermuth's belief that his 'contracts' are inviolable.

[silverspring]

Just an update on Streamline. Letters addressed to them recorded delivery were returned to me marked "recepient failed to collect mail", however my bankers refunded all monies taken by them.

A warning to anyone thinking of using Streamline DONT !

[ZipDee]

streamline.net has not operated out of Derby since selling out to fasthosts.com (owned by United Internet Ag , Germany)

Therefore all beefs with Mr Dollamore's ex-plaything should by rights be pursued against fastthosts at Gloucester at the address where , coincidently(?) ) streamline.net was incorporated in 2002

[silverspring]

my recorded delivery was addressed to Gloucester - they still failed to collect !

[ZipDee]

Sorry, I don't understand 'collect'. Fasthosts.co.uk now own streamline.net and fasthosts certainly have an address.

Are you are saying that fasthosts have adopted the tactic of not picking up streamline .net mail, because, why, it has a PO box number instead of a delivery address? If this is happening then people should send complaints etc directly to fasthosts asking they as owners do something about it.

The thing about distance selling is that if you have evidence of information sent to a company, an email is great, then it is incumbent on the said company to act on that information at the risk of breaking the Distance Selling laws - even if it was sent to a 'last known address' that the company has ceased to operate from they should have had systems in place to ensure they get the information. The law demands this.

One thing is certain, fasthosts as owners of streamline should by now have attempted to accomodate the failings and complaints leveled at streamline.net. If things have remained the same, then you have to ask 'are fasthosts attempting to run down the reputation of the company for some nefarious purposes?'