Ideas to help find missing people etc.

[bazak1]

I watch the news and read papers and see the amount of missing/kidnapped children etc and got to thinking this............
Why couldnt the hospitals, when every child is born, place a small chip under the skin out of harms way ( similar to what they do with pets ).
Now before anyone moans at me saying, thats not very nice, think about the benefits/relief that this would bring parents and the help it would give police etc, and yes i've heard about the big brother syndrome, but lets face it, if your not doing anything wrong, then what are you worried about.
If for instance your child goes missing ( for whatever reason), then they can be traced immediately, therefore ( as in the case of poor little Maddie ) they would know where to look ( and hopefully catch the evil person whos got them into the bargain ).
If, for instance they are lost at sea, or in a secluded spot after a plane crash, again they could be located.
In the unfortunate event that they grow up to be criminals, then again, if they have committed a crime and gone on the run, they can be located.
If a store gets turned over ( or a house etc) using the same procedures as previous crimes, and the police have a few suspects, then they could run them through this gprs system using a rewind facility and see who was actually there at the time. The same could be used for hit and run accidents etc.
the possibilities are endless.
I know that a lot of folk dont like the idea of being captured on cameras constantly etc but this would certainly cut out a lot of the guessing game with crime, plus help in the unfortunate event that something should go seriously wrong, and if this was done at birth, with no ill effects to the child, would it be worth doing ? i think so.
anyone got any ideas ?

[Castlebest]

I think the problem with all of these identification schemes is they look fine in theory and yes used as you describe anyone can see the benefits of such a plan.

HOWEVER who would run this system and control this information? what else could/would it be used for?

Even with our own relatively stable and benign government and police force I wouldn't fancy this level of information being available let alone in other countries with a less than understanding government.

[conalot]

rather than under the skin i find that a bit big brotherish maybe like a stamp that could wear off like the type that u get from clubs etc when you leave that is not visable to naked eye you get the drift i know there are faults to this idea but something along those lines would be better..

[bazak1]

you say it would be better, but in what way.
and i agree Castlebest it would have to be policed and governed properly, and it does have its downfalls obviously. perhaps then not a system openly available to all , but just to parents via their home pc, or something similar.

[hedgey06]

Whilst I agree that, in an ideal world, this would be ideal, I feal that this would give way to us allowing the Government to oversee us in a way that could only be described as controlling. E.g., would we not be giving consent to be monitored at all steps of our lives if this took place? I feel that they have intruded into our daily lives enough to be honest - to the point where we 'accept' the majority of what they do when in reality we don't agree with their disastrous policies/actions.

We can no longer 'gather' to protest about ridiculous policies/price hikes/the price of fuel/council tax/etc., as it has now been made illegal to gather in a group comprised of more than xx (I forget the exact figure!). And yet we've all just sat here, nice and compliant and allowed this to happen

I can only add that, IMVHO, parents should take responsibility of their children at all times. Some do, some don't. We all know of little kids who are allowed out at all times of night, wandering the streets - prone to all and sundry who may prey on them. If all parents loved and cherished their children and watched over them to ensure no harm came to them, there'd be no need for this kind of invasiveness anyway. And, no disrespect, but I include Madeleine McCann's parents here as well.

*2p*

[bazak1]

true, but i dont only refer to babies.
if we started doing this now, then in approx 90 years time, virtually every person would be done.
i agree that some parents can be a bit lacking in control ( and yes i am a parent ), but if this was done for eg: only to be switched on to trace them if something went wrong, instead of being watched 24 hours, would this not be a way of making sure that people ( of all ages ) couldnt just go missing.

[hedgey06]

I get what you're saying in principle, but the danger would always be there that this/any successive Government would 'use' this to it's own advantage................ .. i.e., to 'control' it's citizens.

And, to be honest, I feel they control us enough without introducing mechanisms for them to be able to control/monitor us 24 hours per day every day of our lives which, let's face it, they'd be unable to resist doing

[bazak1]

yep it would be a risk, but i'm looking solely on the other side of the coin. knowing that your child/brother/sister/relation could be traced immediately on dissapearing, wouldnt that be a comfort.

[hedgey06]

I agree - it would be an absolute comfort to many if they knew where their missing loved ones could be located. I for one would want to know where they were - dead or alive.

But seriously? It's one step too far for me personally. I'm so sick and tired of what this blo*dy Government does in the name of 'the people', e.g., ASBO's, parenting orders, community projects (please don't get me started on these - I'm a Community worker so I know how bad they can be!!!) and, in general, the invasive nature of this Government in general. So I'd have to seriously object and demonstrate against something like this ever taking place.

However, let's face it, I'd be arrested for demonstrating in the first instance therefore my point of view would never be know anyway! Strikes me that this country's becoming a bit like that film that I watched last night. Can't remembe the name, but the baddie (yet goodie!) is called 'V'.

Somebody else might know what I'm on about!

[Lula]

nope lovie not usually

[Hippy-chick]

Let's face it, all other objections aside (and I have loads), anybody wanting to abduct a kid would just cut the device out.

[bazak1]

oooooh hc, thats a bit harsh

[moggieb]

Think putting a chip under the skin is a bit extreme. However, can't see a problem with registering a DNA data base of every new born child. After all, they are subjected to the 'jab in the heel' to check for some sort of deficiency (can't think which-'K' something comes to mind) But even the American tradition of taking footprints of every newborn seems a good idea. However, in the light of recent revelations concerning loss of data-can our governments depts be trusted? Err.no..............

[Hippy-chick]

Originally Posted by bazak1

oooooh hc, thats a bit harsh

Sorry baz - I just think that's what would happen.

[bazak1]

it could well, but the whole idea of a chip under the skin that can be linked to gprs, is the main point, so you can get a live location straight away.
taking dna is great but you need to find the missing persons whereabouts to find their dna. the problem is, they cant always get the location. but with the chip, one connection to activate it and up pops a map grid reference for local authorities to home in. lets face it, we have all the dna stuff now, and unless they already have some idea, its pretty mundane.

[Hippy-chick]

Yes, so they'll just get the location to where the bit of skin was left. Sorry baz - I have all kinds of other problems with your theory.

But the practical one is the worst.

I just think this is a non-starter.

[bazak1]

fair enough, hc, we'll agree to disagree