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Old 21st June 2006, 19:05   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Got hearing date, what now??

I also have a hearing date of the 11 Aug and are unsure on what documents if any have to be sent to the other party and the court.
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Can you post your court date on Oblongs thread re court dates, as it will be interesting to see them all and when they are scheduled for. Anyway, wishing you the best of luck, I am at the allocation questionnaire stage myself!
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Default Re: Got hearing date, what now??

Advise to get together copies of:

- UTCCR 1999, if your contract with bank is post 95.
- OFT report of April 5th 06
- Unfair Contract Terms Act 77
- relevant case law: Dunlop v New Garage 1915 (sets definition of penalty charges)
- All your supporting info, schedule of charges,statements etc...

I'll edit this post if I think of more, this is at top of my head.


And please, don't start a new thread for queries and updates, stay on this one, it will make everyone's life a lot easier. Thanks.

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Default Re: Got hearing date, what now??

Nice list BW

Dont forget your bank's terms and conditions for the type of account you are claiming on - most of them publish the latest terms on their websites nowadays.

Always take the UTCCR - the changes to charges and other changes to terms and conditions made by the bank are variations to the original contract. Your contract with your bank today is set out in their current terms and conditions. If the banks are going to suggest that the contract is something else then they will have to prove this. In short - the UTCCR will always apply to a personal account, regardless of when you opened it.

Givent that many people are getting close to possible hearings it might be useful for us to prepare an aide memoir for presenting your case - a checklist of the points you will need to make to the court and a list of possible questions you could ask the bank representative and a summary of the submissions you should make to the judge at the end.

If any mod sees this and BF agrees that it might be useful can you get him to pm me as I'd be happy to help out.

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Is UTCCR 1999 applicable to buisness accounts too?
And when "post 19995"? I opened my account Sept 1995
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Thanks for advice so far! Will hang on a bit longer before deciding what to do next, any other advice welcomed!Cheers.
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Copy of defence (as requested by BankFodder above)

1. It is admitted that the Claimant has an account, number xxxxxxx sort code xxxx. To the extent it is alleged that the Claimant incurred bank charges on his account for unauthorised borrowings (whether unpaid fees for returned cheques, paid referral fees or any other such fees), it is admitted that such charges were debited from the claimant's account; however, the defendant puts the claimant to strict proof of each charge and the date thereof.
2.The defendant is entitled to charge the claimant for unauthorised borrowings by reason of its standard terms and conditions. The claimant accepted the same when the account was opened, including (in particular but without limitation) the following terms and conditions (which are summarised):
a. The defendant's right to charge a paid refferal fee where the defendant pays an amount (either by compulsion or election) which causes the account to become overdrawn - £30 per item (previously £25).
b.The defendant's right to charge an administrative fee if any cheque, standing or direct debit cannot be paid because of insufficient cleared funds in the account - £35 per item (previously £30).
c. The defendant's entitlement, if the claimant becomes overdrawn without an overdraft limit, to charge interest at the unauthorised borrowing rate on the excess balance.

3.The defendant's standard terms and conditions give the claimant a fair and transparent view of those terms and the charges applicable for unauthorised borrowings (including where the account is overdrawn without an overdraft limit or where the claimant exceeds his authorised overdraft limit).
4. If and to the extent it is the claimant's case that the failure to make necessary payments and/or failure to remain within authorised overdraft limites constituted a breach of the terms applying to the account and that the contractual entitlement to debit charges from the claimant's account constitutes a liquidated damages clause, the same is denied. The charges constitute payments the claimant agreed to make by reason of the terms and conditions of his account and were consideration for the defendant advancing credit to the claimant, which the defendant was under no obligation to advance. The defendant was entitled to impose such charges and interest when the claimant incurred the overdraft.
5. Accordingly, it is denied that the legal principles relating to liquidated damages clauses and penalty charges are relevant or applicable to the facts set out above. Further or alternatively it is denied that any such charges constitute unlawful penalty charges or are in breach of the unfair terms in consumer contracts regulations 1999 (particularly but without limitation to, paragraph 1(e) of schedule 2), or are in breach of s.4 of the unfairs (contracts) Terms Act 1977 (or any other provision), or are unreasonable within the meaning of s.15 of the supply of Goods and services Act 1982 (or indeed any other provision).
6. Therefore , it is denied that the charges were unlawfully debited from the account.
7. If and to the extent the claimant incurred charges on his account, this was caused by the claimant having gone intor overdraft without having agreed with the defendant to increase the overdraft facility and/or his failure to make payments to bring the balance of the account back intor credit.
It is averred that the said charges and interest are and remain lawful and .......

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It seems to be their standard defence.
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Hi guys,
Havent been on here for a while, but thought i would let you know that after a telephone call to Mr Jeremiah, and before i had to enter all my defence paperwork, we came to an 'agreement' and they have now refunded me in full of all the charges taken! So if your at that 'nearly at court' stage i would recommend a call to him, he seemed a very nice man! Of course part of the agreement was that they admit no wrong doing and that they believed that my case against them would have failed if it had gone to court...Yeeeaah right! Oh and i cant mention it to anyone....Whoops. Anyway thanks to all of you that have helped me with advice and to the rest of you, hang on in there and you will get your money!cheers.

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just a quick 1 mate what exactly did you say to him as he is the bloke dealing with mine? thanks and well done mate
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I would still not recommend this course of action in general. It can be very easy for a lay person to give up on parts of the claim, especially since you are dealing with a trained negotiator.

I'm very glad you've achieved your settlement, but all banks are paying up in the long run, so there is no need to agree to any conditions (like confidentiality).

If they don't settle in time, they face further costs and you gain 8% interest.

Other than that.....

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